Rich people dont create jobs.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, May 17, 2012.

  1. Smart Rich People take the tax breaks here and abroad and outsource jobs.

    Why would you purposely pay 10x the going rate to open or expand an operation in the US?

    It's not just the labor rate... it's the entire supply chain: from rent, utilities, freight, raw materials etc.

    When you have foreign governments setting up free trade zones and giving 5 years of tax free earnings... free land and waivers from labor and environmental laws you'd have to be a fool to setup shop here.

    If your smart you string the politicians along and negotiate retroactive breaks and do the minimum to receive tax credits. aka GE, Amazon etc.

    Move the bulk of the operation overseas and just keep the face to face sales and service force here.
     
    #31     May 21, 2012
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    Of the visual arts, that's absolutely true. No question about it, but its a small market measured in only a few hundred million. Tiny really.

    There is an interesting statistic regarding charities. Though the wealthy give, by a wide margin the most bucks to charity, the poor and lower middle class give a higher percentage of their income to charity. The poor are the most generous! Is that why they are poor? (I don't know if this is fact, but I suspect a lot of the giving to "non-profits" at the lower income levels is church related. Is that really charity? Well, part of it at least.

    As a personal observation, I have noticed that in some European countries, notably Italy, a middle class family may save a long time to buy an original work of art and proudly display it in their home, whereas in the U.S. that sort of thing is relatively rare. There is relatively little appreciation for original works of art among the lower income classes in the U.S. Though we middle and lower class Americans will gravitate to good design and the visually pleasing if given a choice, we nevertheless seem perfectly content with ugly. If that were not so, why would Dollar Stores and Walmart look the way they do.

    Which action would have the greater positive impact on American society: Buying another fighter aircraft, or buying one less fighter and using the money saved to double the budget of the National Endowment for the Arts?
     
    #32     May 21, 2012
  3. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well said. You might, in fact, be right! So how do we get better managers of the public purse in place?
     
    #33     May 21, 2012
  4. Don't you think the die has not already been cast? We are a warlike nation, ugly does well because as long as there is ass to kick, we, as a nation are happy.
     
    #34     May 21, 2012
  5. So who the fuck does then? Poor people?

    Most jobs are created by the wealthy or soon to be wealthy, it takes money to make money. Raising taxes on the wealthy (250k) will hurt small business which employees about half of the US private sector. Read this: http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqIndexAll.cfm?areaid=24 don't skip the part about the cost of environmental regs and tax compliance hurting small business disproportionately.

    dems and big spender repubs need to get lost. Less regulation, a simplified tax code (or whole new system) and a massive decrease in federal spending (less tax revs needed), are what we need to get back to growing in the US.
     
    #35     May 21, 2012
  6. That link pretty just dispelled every liberal claim about small business I've ever heard.
     
    #36     May 21, 2012
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Maybe your "soon to be wealthy" people are poor now, therefore, yes, poor people can create jobs.

    Anyway, you're right about it takes money to make money. If my customers are broke, I can't make sales.
     
    #37     May 21, 2012
  8. jem

    jem

    I am surprised the libs allow it on the net. Expect it to be cleansed.
    Here it will be for posterity.




    1. What is a small business?
    The Offce of Advocacy defines a small business as an independent business having fewer than 500 employees. (The definition of "small business" used in government programs and contracting varies by industry; see www.sba.gov/size.)
    2. How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?
    Small firms:
    • Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
    • Employ half of all private sector employees.
    • Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
    • Generated 65 percent of net new jobs over the past 17 years.
    • Create more than half of the nonfarm private GDP.
    • Hire 43 percent of high tech workers ( scientists, engineers, computer programmers, and others).
    • Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
    • Made up 97.5 percent of all identified exporters and produced 31 percent of export value in FY 2008.
    • Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.

    Source: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau and Intl. Trade Admin.; Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007 (www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs299.pdf) and CHI Research, 2003 (www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs225.pdf);U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    3. How many small businesses are there?
    In 2009,there were 27.5 million businesses in the United States, according to Office of Advocacy estimates.The lastest available Census data show that there were 6.0 million firms with employees in 2007 and 21.4 million without employees in 2008. Small firms with fewer than 500 employees represent 99.9 percent of the total ( employers and nonemployers), as the most recent data show there were about 18,311 large businesses in 2007.

    Source:Office of Advocacy estimates based on data from the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, and trends from the U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labour Statistics, Business Employment Dynamics.

    4. What is small firms’ share of employment?
    Small businesses employ about half of U.S. workers. Of 120.6 million nonfarm private sector workers in 2007, small firms employed 59.9 million and large firms employed 60.7 million.About half of small firm employment is in second-stage companies (10-99 employees), and half is in firms that are 15 years or older. Small firms’ share of employment in rural areas is slightly higher that in urban areas; their share of part-time workers (22 percent) is similar to large firms’ share (19 percent). Small firms’ employment share remains steady since some small firms grow into large firms over time.

    Source:U.S.Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau: Statistics of U.S. Businesses, Current Population Survey and Business Dynamics Statistics; and the Edward Lowe Foundation (http://youreconomy.org).

    5. What share of net new jobs do small businesses create?
    Small firms accounted for 65 percent (or 9.8 million) of the 15 million net new jobs created between 1993 and 2009.
    Much of the job growth is from fast-growing high-impact firms, which represents about 5-6 percent of all firms and are on average 25 years old.

    Source: U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Business Employment Dynamics; Advocacy-funded research by Zoltan Acs, William Parsons and Spencer Tracy, 2008 (www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs328.pdf)
    6. How many businesses open and close each year?
    An estimated 552,600 new employer firms opened for business in 2009, and 660,900 firms closed.This amounts to an annual turnover of about 10 percent. Nonemployer firms have turnover rates three times as high, mostly because it is much easier for them to go into business and cease operations.

    Starts and Closures of Employer Firms, 2005-2009

    Category 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
    Births 644,122 670,058 668,395 626,400e 552,600e
    Closures 565,745 599,333 592,410 663,900e 660,900e
    Bankruptcies 39,201 19,695 28,322 43,546 60,837


    Notes: e = Advocacy estimate.Bankruptcies include nonemployer firms.

    Source: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau; Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts; U.S. Dept. of Labor, Business Employment Dynamics (BED). Estimates based on Census data and BED trends.

    7. What is the survival rate for new firms?
    Seven out of 10 new employer firms survive at least 2 years, half at least 5 years, a third at least 10 years, and a quarter stay in business 15 years or more. Census data report that 69 percent of new employer establishments born to new firms in 2000 survived at least 2 years, and 51 percent survived 5 or more years. Survival rates were similar across states and major industries. Bureau of Labour Statistics data on establishment age show that 49 percent of establishments survive 5 years or more; 34 percent survive 10 years or more; and 26 percent survive 15 years or more.

    Source: U.S Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, Business Dynamics Statistics; U.S. Dept of Labour, Bureau of Labor Statistics, BED.

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    8. How are credit conditions for small firms?
    Credit conditions are improving. In mid-2010, commercial banks began to ease the tight lending conditions on small businesses that had begun in early 2007. And credit has con_tinued to flow, as loans under $1 million totalled $695 billion in FY 2009. Also, after declining over the past few years, ven_ture capital investment dollars increased in mid-2010.


    Source: Federal Reserve Board, Senior Loan Officer Opinion Survey and Call Report data; National Venture Capital Association.
     
    #38     May 21, 2012
  9. jem

    jem

    9. How are small businesses financed?
    Small businesses rely heavily upon owner investment and bank credit, averaging about $80,000 a year for young firms. Startups rely about equally on owners’ cash injections into the business and bank credit; young firms receive about three-quarters of their funds from banks via loans, credit cards, and lines of credit. One-tenth of startups and about a third of young firms do not use capital injections.


    Source: Kauffman Foundation, An Overview of the Kauffman Firm Survey: Results from the 2004–2008 Data, (Alicia Robb, E.J. Reedy, Janice Ballou, David DesRoches, Frank Potter, Zhanyun Zhao), May 2010.

    10. How do regulations affect small firms?
    The smallest firms (fewer than 20 employees) spend 36 percent more per employee than larger firms to comply with federal regulations. The disparity is greatest in two areas: very small firms spend four and a half times as much per employee to comply with environmental regulations and three times more per employee on tax compliance than their largest counterparts.

    Annual Cost of Federal Regulations by Firm size

    Type of Cost per Employees for Firms with:
    Regulations Fewer than 20-499 500 or More
    20 Employees Employees Employees
    All Regulations $10,585 $7,454 $7,755
    Economics 4,120 4,750 5,835
    Tax Compliance 1,584 1,294 883
    Occupational
    Safety and Home-
    Land Security 781 650 520



    Source: The Impact of Regulations Costs on Small Firms, an Advocacy-funded study by Nicole Crain and Mark Crain, 2010 (www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs371tot.pdf).

    11. Whom do I contact about regulations?
    To learn about pending regulation, visit Advocacy's Regulatory Alerts webpage, www.sba.gov/advo/laws/law_regalerts.html; to comments on pending regulations, email advocacy@sba.gov. To report unfair regulatory enforement, contact SBA's National Ombudsman at ombudsman@sba.gov.

    12. What is the role of women, minority, and veteran entrepreneurs?
    Of the 27.1 million nonfarm businesses in 2007, women owned 7.8 million businesses, which generated $1.2 trillion in revenues, employed 7.6 million workers, and paid $218 billion in payroll. Another 4.6 million firms were were 50 percent woman owned. Minorities owned 5.8 million firms, which generated $1 trillion in revenues and employed 5.9 million people. Hispanic Americans owned 8.3 percent of all U.S. businesses; African Americans, 7.1 percent; Asian Americans, 5.7 percent; American Indians and Alaska Natives, 0.9 percent; and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islanders, 0.1 percent. Veterans owned 2.4 million businesses in 2007, generating $1.2 trillion in receipts; another 1.2 million firms were 50 percent veteran owned. About 7 percent of veteran business owners had service-connected disabilities in 2002.

    In 2008, the overall rate of self-employment (unincorporated and incorporated) was 9.8 percent, and the rate was 7.1 percent for women, 7.2 percent for Hispanic Americans, 4.7 percent for African Americans, 9.7 percent for Asian Americans and Native Americans, and 13.6 percent for veterans.Service-disabled veterans had lower self-employment rates than non-service-disabled veterans.

    Source: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, Survey of Business Owners; Advocacy-funded reserach by Open Blue Solutions, 2007 (www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs291.pdf) and Office of Advocacy. The Small Business Economy (Table A.13, www.sba.gov/advo/research/sbe.html).

    13. At what rates are the self-employed taxed?
    Of the 15.5 million individuals whose primary occupation was self-employment (incorporated and unincorporated), the median personal marginal federal tax rate was 10 percent in 2008. Only 4.1 percent of the self-employed were in the marginal tax bracket of 33 percent or more.

    Source: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, Current Population Sur_vey, March Supplement (special tabulation).

    14. What research exists on the cost and availability of health insurance?
    A Kaiser Family Foundation study confirmed the connection between firm size and offering health insurance. The survey shows that about half of businesses with 3–9 workers offer health benefits to their employees. The ratio grows to about three-fourths for firms with 10–24 employees, to almost 90 percent for firms with 25–49 employees, and to 98 percent for firms with 200 employees or more. Almost two-thirds of workers take health insurance coverage when offered. Overall in 2008, small firm employees were almost twice as likely as large firm employees to be uninsured (25.1 percent vs. 13.6 percent, respectively).

    Source: Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust, Employer Health Benefits 2010 Annual Survey; Employee Benefit Research Institute, Sources of Health Insurance and Characteristics of the Uninsured: Analysis of the March 2009 Current Population Survey.


    15. How can I get more information?
    For more information, visit Advocacy’s website:
    www.sba.gov/advo. Specific points of interest include:

    Economic research: www.sba.gov/advo/research.
    Firm size data: www.sba.gov/advo/research/data.html.
    Lending:www.sba.gov/advo/research/lending.html.
    Small business profiles by state and territory:
    www.sba.gov/advo/research/profiles.
    The Small Business Advocate newsletter:
    www.sba.gov/advo/newsletter.html.
     
    #39     May 21, 2012
  10. Now we know who really is waging the war on women and minorities!
     
    #40     May 21, 2012