Rex Tillerson Debates Quitting After ‘Unprofessional’ Trump Bashes Jeff Sessions

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tony Stark, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. haha. Angry? not really, more like disappointed that our liberal friends on this board can not make a coherent argument or produce evidence to substantiate their position, and instead push ideas that have nothing to do with the topic. Do you know anyone like this?
     
    #21     Jul 27, 2017
  2. Fiddling while Rome burns Nero? Fine, your country. Boomers banging garbage can lids, while shouting their "alternative facts" at pigeons :)

    “We have labored long to build a heaven, only to find it populated with horrors.” Alan Moore

    But to be constructive, Tillerson is I believe not a conservative, he is a centrist. e.g.:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...-boy-scouts/KzEevXTrrwx1dc39oxSeBI/story.html

    He will play Trump to get the best he can out of the situation.

    I have considerable respect for Tillerson as a man but not why he is in the position. Trump understands the politics of disgust, that he is disgusting to so many and Tillerson (Ivanka..) are there to distract from too much scrutiny of himself by his own core followers.



    And seeing Fox's front page, why would Tillerson be happy when Rupert clearly is not?

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    #22     Jul 28, 2017
  3. Good question. First. Sessions should never have recused himself. He answers to the President, not the media or democrats in congress. He showed weakness, which is fatal in dealing with a hostile bureaucracy. They have to be afraid of you, not thinking they can manipulate you with leaks.

    Second, he needs to root out the real obama drones in supervisory positions. There are plenty of operatives in DC who know how to screw over civil service protected "career" employees. The fact is DOJ, like the rest of government, only hires people they consider reliable blue-pilled liberal progressives. Any hint of conservative leanings will make it nearly impossible to get a lawyer job at Justice. These politicized sleeper agents have protections against termination, but it can take them years to contest a dismissal and they are out of action for that period. They can be transferred to unattractive locations. They can be relegated to scut work.

    You can do this but it takes some people working for the AG who are hard core, not pussies like this dolt Rosenstein, who was among his first appointees.

    Third, you have to understand that this is war, but it is not modern civilized war. It is Middle Ages war, where you kill or enslave everyone you conquer and seize their assets. Look how the progressives attempt to utterly destroy their enemies. You can't combat that by wandering around with a dazed look on your face, hoping people are nice to you.

    Sessions appears to want it both ways. He wants to talk tough but he also wants everyone to like him and treat him fairly, especially the media. You'd think that he of all people would know better after the way the dems and his fellow republicans screwed him out of his judgeship, but apparently he is a slow learner.

    So his number one job after immigration should have been going after the leakers and Deep State operatives. That would have required cracking down on the FBI, which again, he seems too weak to attempt. He claims to be addressing it now but we have had six months of damaging leaks and attempts to undermine the President.
     
    #23     Jul 28, 2017
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  4. Tillerson is not President and does not set policy. He carries out the President's policies, and if he isn't prepared to do that he should resign.

    He was blocked on some hires because the people he wanted to hire were totally unacceptable. They were people who opposed Trump and his policies. The WH did Tillerson a big favor blocking them. In DC personnel are policy. Wrong people in place, nothing gets done.

    Trump does not want a State Department run by John McCain acolytes.
     
    #24     Jul 28, 2017
  5. "In medieval to early modern uses of the term, loyalty came to be affirmed primarily in the oath or pledge of fealty or allegiance sworn by a vassal to his lord."

    Tillerson is the foreign government expert, he was promised autonomy to take the job and it was pulled. From his perspective Trump did what he does, lied shamelessly and he will not want to be made look a fool. Trump is a microbrain compared to Tillerson, a handbag rat yapping at a real dog. Like the rat dog, his superpower is he does not know he is small but an unforgiving bite and he is quite screwed.

    I guess many voters wanted a king so they don't have to think for themselves and feel protected by a figurehead. Hundreds of thousands of years of being ruled by chiefs and kings, little wonder a chunk of citizens are reverting to "I just want a strong man to take care of me" when it gets stressful. I was literally told the aforementioned by a 72 year old man from North Dakota.

    Your comment on "this is war" is not a surprise.

    Bit of a problem however, much of the difference between a dem and a con is genuinely organic. It is hard wired into our brains, simply down to how we process some information.

    Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0052970#s2

    So given that it is genetic and a split in nature has been selected as desirable, two types of people working together, what do we do? Split in two like the The Eloi and the Morlocks from the H.G. Well's time machine?

    "A large body of research suggests that liberals and conservatives differ on important psychological characteristics [1]. For example, conservatives demonstrate stronger attitudinal reactions to situations of threat and conflict. In contrast, liberals tend to be seek out novelty and uncertainty [1]. Moreover, Democrats, who are well known to be more politically liberal, are more risk accepting than Republicans, who are more politically conservative [2]. While ideology appears to drive reactions to the environment, environmental cues also influence political attitudes. For instance, external threats prime more conservative attitudes among liberals, moderates, and conservatives [3]...............................
    The discovery by Kanai and colleagues [15] that four brain regions implicated in risk and uncertainty (the right amygdala, left insula, right entorhinal cortex, and anterior cingulate (ACC)) differed in liberals and conservatives provided further evidence that political ideology might be connected to differences in cognitive processes."
     
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    #25     Jul 28, 2017
  6. Trump's idea of "autonomy" and Tillerson's idea seem pretty far apart. I seriously doubt Trump promised Tillerson he would be able to run foreign policy as he saw fit. Or hire people who opposed the President's core campaign promises.

    If Tillerson feels he has been ill-used, his remedies are to go to Trump and hash it out or to resign. Not with self-serving leaks.
     
    #26     Jul 28, 2017
  7. Has Tillerson leaked anything other than acknowledging & apologising for the Manchester leak? I'd imagine Trump really did promise him a lot and then changed the deal unilaterally. Nobody ever says Trump is not a liar, they just don't address it. Of course Trump has clear signs of early mid-stage Alzheimer's so maybe he just forgot..

    Well good luck, when you've split your country, interned you fellow citizens for political views and your all back to leading short brutal lives you can give yourself a good pat on the back.

    Follow a man who when a millionaire failed to provide basic security protection for his own mother (who was mugged)... he failed his own mother. Now the germophobe pansy is your fearful leader, don't get a drop of blood anywhere near him. Of course he told the police to rough up suspects as he always blusters about things he is incapable of himself to hide the fact.

    It is not the lives of people, it is just sports for a bunch of bored and lonely boomers.. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/sports/football/new-england-patriots-super-bowl-cheating.html
     
    #27     Jul 29, 2017