Retired, 450k fun money, lets see what happens - SPY Options

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Wise Old Man, Nov 13, 2020.

Will I be successful and outperform the S&P 500?

  1. Yes

    34.0%
  2. Not a chance

    66.0%
  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    No. for his eye, it would be easier and more effective just to sell covered calls right from the outset. It's what he plans to do anyway and he'd get better premium at the beginning when before the underlying drops and he gets assigned. The overall strategy as presented is sub-par.
     
    #131     Mar 29, 2021
  2. never2old

    never2old

    OP any updates as of March 31 what your account balance is?

    taking into account all the trading fees are you +/- what %

    .
     
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    #132     Apr 4, 2021
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  3. The funny part of this thread is all the talkers talk week after week While the Wise Old Man keeps ringing the register. I love this thread.

    A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. - George S. Patton
     
    #133     Apr 4, 2021
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  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    He does??
     
    #134     Apr 5, 2021
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  5. never2old

    never2old

    could it be the OP is likely just paper trading or posts 'after the fact trades' of 'what could have been'!

    since OP is following the S&P/SPY, I'm surprised the OP hasn't picked up posting option trades one day to expiry on the leveraged 3x ETF UPRO.
     
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    #135     Apr 5, 2021
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  6. 450K on options? unless you're a pro, why risk it? why not diversify into 8-10 dividend paying companies and DRIP?
     
    #136     Apr 5, 2021
  7. never2old

    never2old

    I trade the 3x TQQQ, I do it because I understand it & because I bought my first round in July 2010.

    https://www.splithistory.com/tqqq/

    on the recent split 01/21/2021 a 2 for 1, at split price it was trading ~$100.

    on that same day I looked at the ATM covered call expiring Jan 2022 was paying $29, that's 29% on the CC with a downside to $71.

    some will say its crazy to trade 3x - are not suppose to be long term

    does ^^^ make sense, is the strategy doable, are my numbers correct?

    the added bonus is the trader could use the option premium to go back in buy more shares & option again or use multiples of $100k to do this type of trade.

    even buying just 100 shares

    there is also selling DITM long cc for a lesser % return on money at risk, yet this gives a better downside protection.

    pre 2:1 split in 2021, on 2 Jan 2020 TQQQ was trading at ~$90.84, in March it hit a low of ~$35.50, ending 2020 at ~$181.80.
     
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    #137     Apr 5, 2021
  8. never2old

    never2old

    are you/will you outperform in 2021?

    keep posting weekly YTD net after commissions

    the table below the graph in the following link

    https://www.macrotrends.net/2324/sp-500-historical-chart-data

    The average stock market return is about 10% per year for nearly the last century. The S&P 500 is often considered the benchmark measure for annual stock market returns. Though 10% is the average stock market return, returns in any year are far from average.

    Year-to-date return ~8.57%

    5-year return 14.57%

    10-year return 11.83%
     
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    #138     Apr 5, 2021
  9. I unfortunately missed my trade on Thursday. I forgot Friday was a stock market holiday and my puts expired. Re-entered today for a small credit:

    +$348
    SOLD -12 SPY 100 (Weeklys) 9 APR 21 394 PUT @.29

    My current net liq is $506,129.14, so after all commissions I'm up $50,011.02 = 10.96%. SPY closed today at 406.36, so I'm still underperforming the S&P 500 by 1.89%
     
    #139     Apr 5, 2021
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  10. It takes about 30 seconds per week so its not difficult or time consuming for me to trade the way that I am. As I've mentioned before, I don't need to withdraw the funds anytime soon. I'm definitely not saying this is the ideal strategy, but its an experiment I've been wanting to do for years and finally have the opportunity to do so. If I'm not successful, I'm 100% okay with it.
     
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