Retail Trader vs Market Maker and the Winner..?

Discussion in 'Options' started by SmithTheTrader, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. Mark,

    Thanks a lot for sharing your experience and I am really appreciate that your inputs.

    When you mentioned you have been profitable over the years, what kind of return you have in average (I understand you may make more and less in particular year) but in average, are you making 10%, 20%, 30% or in average in yearly basics ?
     
    #11     Jan 7, 2009
  2. #12     Jan 7, 2009
  3. You should not care.

    For many years I wrote covered calls and sold naked puts. Thus, my returns depended my on ability to <b>select stocks</b> and not on any option strategy. Thus, whether I averaged 5% or 50% has no relevance to you.

    Over the past few years I have been buying iron condors (sell call spread and put spread) on major market indexes. The success of that strategy depends on my strike selection - but more importantly, it depends on how well I managed risk. My ability to manage risk, and my personal tolerance for risky positions is surely different from yours.

    If I told you I made over 50% per year, you'd probably jump right in and try iron condors without really understanding how they work.

    If I told you I made only 5%, you'd dismiss the strategy as useless.

    Believe me when I tell you that you do not need to know. What you want to do is understand how options work, how to decide which specific options to buy and or sell, how to choose one or more strategies that are appropriate for you and especially why buying options is not the path for long-term success (for the vast majority of traders).

    Mark
    The Rookie's Guide to Options
     
    #13     Jan 7, 2009
  4. spindr0

    spindr0

    We care because we're nosy.

    If you made 50% a year, I'd send you my adoption papers

    :)
     
    #14     Jan 7, 2009
  5. MTE

    MTE

    Sorry mate, just couldn't resist it.
     
    #15     Jan 7, 2009
  6. I think the bigger question you need to ask yourself is why you feel the need to beat anyone? Too many people have this ego mentality of trading that they have to beat someone or a specific group. Your goal in trading is to make money and simply accept the fact that there are traders that will make more money than you and traders that will make less. If none of them are paying your bills or signing your checks then @#$% everyone else and just focus on your self and you have a better chance of being profitable.

    :D
     
    #16     Jan 7, 2009
  7. Who cares? Why is anyone wasting their time arguing this? Forget the MM's.

    They do their thing, you do yours
     
    #17     Jan 7, 2009
  8. Spin,

    You are a bit too old to be my son, but I do not make 50% - as if you didn't already know that.

    Mark
     
    #18     Jan 7, 2009
  9. More succint version of what I was trying to say.. ;)
     
    #19     Jan 7, 2009
  10. spindr0

    spindr0

    Phil,

    I think that there's a need to beat money market rates (and then some). If one can't do that consistently, one really needs to find another hobby/profession.


    Mark,

    I'm really rather cuddly when swathed in 100 dollar bills.
    Adopt me !!!!
     
    #20     Jan 7, 2009