Research on day trading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ironchef, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Some people are good at games, treating it as a game you want to win, stops the overthinking that real and money on the line creates, might not work for you, but others?

    Markets are CHAOS makes for a hard game to win, a game I often consider giving up, but been so close to making it so many times, it will keep sucking me back in.

    I mastered day/swing trading stocks 15years back, sadly 25k rule put me out, FX and indexs just dont work the same, to day tradey.

    Only solution is raise 25k++++ get back into stocks, no time soon :(
     
    #41     Aug 23, 2017
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  2. 777

    777

    Day trading stocks is not close to being a zero sum game and that is one key reason so few people have been able to make a good living doing it.

    In a zero sum game, if one player loses a dollar another player (or the other players collectively) must have won a dollar.

    In daytrading, an extremely large amount of money leaves the game in the form of slippage and trading costs, like commissions.

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    Here is an example of a zero sum game vs a non zero sum game.

    A Zero-sum: In a poker game of tough but not equal players, the best player should have a small edge.

    B. Minus-sum: In a poker game of tough but not equal players where a very high percentage is taken out of each pot and given to the person hosting the game, it is possible that ALL players have a disadvantage and that all players will lose in the long run.

    NOTE: Some minus-sum games are beatable and some are not.

    Poker games with a huge rake are not beatable (at least honestly). Daytrading stocks is beatable and the strongest algos are making very big money.

    Bonus Tip: stay away from binary options.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2017
    #42     Sep 23, 2017
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  3. schweiz

    schweiz

    you mastered day/swing trading stocks but never made 25K??? one of the toptraders on ET and stopped because you don't have 25K to trade. you must be stupid to post such a statement. :wtf:
     
    #43     Sep 23, 2017
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  4. Funny thing is, IMHO this describes many ET members lol...o_O
     
    #44     Sep 23, 2017
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    I appreciate an honest person.

    Best of luck to you.
     
    #45     Sep 24, 2017
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  6. schweiz

    schweiz

    That's why it is called ELITE traders. They all meet here. :)
     
    #46     Sep 24, 2017
  7. schweiz

    schweiz

    that was my experience too when i started. chaos, numerous times having the idea that finally it would work, then failure and back to reality and start over again. being sucked in again is a good sign as it means you are interested and motivated. just know when you really have to give up as eternal fighting without any objective results is useless.
    remember:many failures are the result of giving up just before a breakthrough.
    difficulty is to know when to continue or when to stop...

    PS: tried to use the word "automatical" to please Vandervoort, but found no place where to put it. LOL.
     
    #47     Sep 24, 2017
  8. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Very few around, nearly gave up recently, trying a different tactic, if that fails then almost definetely time to quit.

    Life, never easy
     
    #48     Sep 24, 2017
  9. I really do not know how to say it.

    You have changed tactics over and over and over.
    What if the real problems is not about tactics, but about psychology/"spirituality" ?
    May be you just have just one very little issue that'd be sorted and suddenly your trading
    would be very good.

    Please, if you stop the trading because of failing , just realise that it is because you refused
    to sort your own psychology/"spirituality".

    Also 25k is not very much : you could make it within 2-4 months.

    I am now working with a very losing trader.
    After psy/"spirituality" coaching, 3 months managed to go from $3k to $60k,
    then blew it all up in 1 day because the person did not want to be asked
    by his demanding family any pennies ( yep that can be a reason to give all back, when the family starts to be nice because they saw some accounts statements). Obviously, no way, we'll let the trader give up : we are
    stepping up and tuning better the psy/"spirituality".

    Feel free to argue.

    Disclaimer : I do not coach for money, just a way to give back, as I believe in coaching.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2017
    #49     Sep 24, 2017
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  10. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    I was profitable for over a year $700 turned into just over $10,000 at the high before losing the plot sadly.

    Pyschology isnt the issue, its a method that fits the current news led crazy market conditions which are crazy extreme, what with Trumpy and NKorea trading blows, the stupidity of brexit.

    New method 100% win rate so far in 3weeks, so looking good, sadly only 1 trade lol

    Main issue too damn busy, running a business, riding bikes, kids, falling apart ex's, womanising, why trying to go more intraday swing longer holds.
     
    #50     Sep 24, 2017