Republicans attempt to blame COVID on immigrants

jem · Aug 9, 2021

The correct quote.. is that is just the flu for healthy people.
Everyone by now realized we should have protected the high risk better.

some famous person who had a break through virus, made an intelligent tweet today.

If you are high risk... stay home.
That would be proper messaging.

gwb-trading · Aug 9, 2021

jem said:
The correct quote.. is that is just the flu for healthy people.
Everyone by now realized we should have protected the high risk better.

some famous person who had a break through virus, made an intelligent tweet today.

If you are high risk... stay home.
That would be proper messaging.
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And yet many headlines start with “Perfectly healthy [child/teen/adult] dies of COVID”. — the common thread being they are unvaccinated.

jem · Aug 9, 2021

and the vast majority of those headlines are unsubstantiated garbage....

for instance...

0 deaths from Covid under 9
2 deaths under 19

in San Diego..

Would you like to bet how many of those were fat, diabetic or had other pre existing conditions...

oh wait... it doesn't matter because the number is so low you and your headlines almost have to be entirely full of shit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/tracking-coronavirus-cases-san-diego-county

gwb-trading said:
And yet many headlines start with “Perfectly healthy [child/teen/adult] dies of COVID”. — the common thread being they are unvaccinated.
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Cuddles · Aug 9, 2021

jem said:
The correct quote.. is that is just the flu for healthy people.
Everyone by now realized we should have protected the high risk better.

some famous person who had a break through virus, made an intelligent tweet today.

If you are high risk... stay home.
That would be proper messaging.
More...

In that case, you should be happy COVID carrying immigrants are storming the country. It's like a vaccine of "natural herd immunity" coming our way.

Wallet · Aug 9, 2021

They are being released into the city.

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/articl...nded/273-037a34e0-ce40-4d1f-b239-1030e348f76b

Temporary emergency shelter being built in McAllen to house 'overwhelming number of immigrants stranded'

Author: Anastasiya Bolton (KENS)
Published: 1:18 PM CDT August 4, 2021
Updated: 2:15 PM CDT August 5, 2021
MCALLEN, Texas — The City of McAllen said Wednesday it has to put up a temporary emergency shelter for the “overwhelming number of immigrants stranded in McAllen by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

More at the above link.

El OchoCinco · Aug 9, 2021

jem said:
and the vast majority of those headlines are unsubstantiated garbage....

for instance...

0 deaths from Covid under 9
2 deaths under 19

in San Diego..

Would you like to bet how many of those were fat, diabetic or had other pre existing conditions...

oh wait... it doesn't matter because the number is so low you and your headlines almost have to be entirely full of shit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/tracking-coronavirus-cases-san-diego-county
More...

So every person with any type of condition should stay home... fat, diabetic, asthmatic, heart condition...

It is pretty stupid to say no one died of COVID if a person was living and then died because they got COVID despite living for years with diabetes, asthma, heart conditions,, etc.... that would make COVID... then deadly to many people.

Since we have no way of sorting out who has pre existing conditions and who will simply die from it although they are healthy then your suggestion is we should all lock down and stay inside to truly protect everyone..

Got it.... GOP logic.

jem · Aug 10, 2021

That may be the most ignorant thing you have posted here.

El OchoCinco said:
So every person with any type of condition should stay home... fat, diabetic, asthmatic, heart condition...

It is pretty stupid to say no one died of COVID if a person was living and then died because they got COVID despite living for years with diabetes, asthma, heart conditions,, etc.... that would make COVID... then deadly to many people.

Since we have no way of sorting out who has pre existing conditions and who will simply die from it although they are healthy then your suggestion is we should all lock down and stay inside to truly protect everyone..

Got it.... GOP logic.
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easymon1 · Aug 10, 2021

gwb-trading said:
DeSantis’ effort to blame COVID-19 spread on migrants is short on evidence
https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...d-19-spread-on-migrants-is-short-on-evidence/

As coronavirus cases spike nationally, and especially in Florida, a blame game has erupted between President Joe Biden and Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.

Florida has the second-highest per-capita coronavirus case load of any state as of Aug. 6, exceeding its level at any point during the pandemic. Florida also has the highest coronavirus hospitalization rate of any state, at more than three times the national average.

Biden pointed this out in remarks on Aug. 3. “Make no mistake,” he said. “The escalation of cases is particularly concentrated in states with low vaccination rates. Just two states, Florida and Texas, account for one-third of all new COVID-19 cases in the entire country. ... Look, we need leadership from everyone. And if some governors aren’t willing to do the right thing to beat this pandemic, then they should allow businesses and universities who want to do the right thing to be able to do it.”

DeSantis unloaded on Biden during an Aug. 4 news conference in Panama City.

“He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border. You have hundreds of thousands of people pouring across every month,” DeSantis said. “You have over 100 different countries where people are pouring through. Not only are they letting them through — they’re then farming them out all across our communities across this country. Putting them on planes, putting them on buses.”

DeSantis doubled down in a fundraising letter later that day: “Joe Biden has the nerve to tell me to get out of the way on COVID while he lets COVID-infected migrants pour over our southern border by the hundreds of thousands. No elected official is doing more to enable the transmission of COVID in America than Joe Biden with his open borders policies.”

Public health experts said it’s reasonable to be concerned about coronavirus spreading among migrants, especially if they’re living in close quarters. “It would be fair to say that detention centers, like prisons, are likely to be ‘hotspots’ for transmission,” said Babak Javid, a professor of medicine at the University of California-San Francisco. “We saw a lot of this last year,” earlier in the pandemic.

But they said there is no evidence it’s happening on the scale that DeSantis described.

It may well be that immigrants coming illegally into the country are contributing to COVID-19 caseloads, “but given the extensive transmission already in the U.S., the immigration contribution is akin to pouring a bucket of water into a swimming pool,” said William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University. “It’s hard to measure and pretty trivial.”

U.S.-Mexico border not ‘wide open’
In a statement, DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw focused on the migrants who make it across the border without detection. She acknowledged that migration is not the only factor in COVID-19 spread.

“We know tens of thousands of migrants cross the border illegally every month,” she said. “Officials don’t have a precise number, because the border is porous, and it stands to reason that many people enter undetected. ... Some of those countries where a significant portion of the migrants hail from, such as Haiti, have extremely low rates of COVID vaccination.”

Still, it is wrong to say, as DeSantis did, that the southern border is “wide open” for everyone to just come into the country. Most people who are encountered are turned away under a public health law invoked by Trump’s administration and continued by Biden.

Border officials — at and between ports of entries — recorded more than 822,000 encounters with migrants from February to June, and most of those people were expelled under the public health law. These individuals don’t get to stay in the country to request asylum or other immigration protection.

Nicole Hallett, a professor and director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School, told PolitiFact that the apprehension numbers reflect that people trying and failing to cross multiple times.

“Apprehensions have increased because of the strict COVID restrictions, not because restrictions have eased,” Hallett said.

The Biden administration has allowed certain groups of migrants to file for immigration protection, such as children arriving alone at the southern border and some families with young children. The Department of Homeland Security, however, said it had recently resumed expedited removal flights for certain families who recently arrived at the southern border.

Officials in February began to let in asylum seekers who were waiting for a resolution of their U.S. immigration cases in Mexico under the Trump-era Remain in Mexico program. (Biden ended that program in June.)

The United States is also temporarily limiting inbound land border crossings from Mexico; non-essential travel is not allowed.

Customs and Border Protection told PolitiFact in April that personnel do initial inspections for symptoms or risk factors associated with COVID-19 and consult with onsite medical personnel, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or local health systems as appropriate.

DHS also said in April that it works with state and local authorities and non-governmental organizations to make sure that all migrants are tested for COVID-19 “at some point during their immigration journey.”

This doesn’t mean that the chance of coronavirus spread on the border is zero. For instance, McAllen, Texas, along the border with Mexico, has seen an increasing number of migrants arriving in recent weeks. According to the city, more than 7,000 migrants have tested positive for the coronavirus, out of 87,000 migrants who had passed through the city.

But drawing a clear line between migrants and the spread of the coronavirus throughout the U.S., as DeSantis did, requires a sense of how many migrants are evading detection and how many of them are infected.

“Otherwise, it is a statement without any facts to substantiate it,” said Nicole Gatto, an associate professor in Claremont Graduate University’s school of community and global health.

The current surge is driven by community spread
The data for coronavirus cases provides poor support for the notion that the virus is being spread by illegal immigration.

Significant outbreaks are happening well inland from the border, in states like Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky and Missouri. Public health experts express skepticism that illegal border crossings are to blame for these outbreaks.

If DeSantis were correct, the land border between the U.S. and Mexico would be among the hardest-hit parts of the country, since even if migrants eventually disperse to other locations, they would have an impact on coronavirus rates locally first.

However, the entire land border between San Diego and the southern tip of Texas shows relatively low case rates compared with the entire southeastern quadrant of the U.S.

Given this data, “it doesn’t seem right that illegal immigration is driving the current surge,” said Javid, the University of California-San Francisco professor.

There’s also a more plausible explanation for the coronavirus surge’s current pattern: Case rates are higher in places with lower rates of vaccination.

An analysis by the New York Times found that at the end of July, counties with vaccination rates below 30 percent had coronavirus case rates well over double the case rates in counties with at least 60 percent vaccination. And five of the six least-vaccinated states — Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi — are all squarely within the geographical quadrant of the country that has the highest case rates.

Some of the hardest-hit places, such as southwestern Missouri, are far from the border, while others, such as southern Louisiana, are on the water.

“The pattern of distribution of coronavirus cases does not correspond in any way to immigrant movement,” said Arthur Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine. “And the paths to ‘bringing’ COVID here are many, including tourists, diplomats, boat workers, student exchange, and cruises.”

Caplan said he views DeSantis’ statements as the latest in a long history of efforts to offload blame for infectious diseases on immigrants.

“The notion of immigrants bringing disease has been alleged about Gypsies, Jews, Italians, Irish, and Blacks,” he said. “As we know from Ebola, SARS, and influenza, infections get here all the time. The issue is what we do to stop their spread.”

Our ruling
DeSantis said Biden has driven the current coronavirus surge because he “imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border.”

The available evidence shows that coronavirus hot spots tend to be clustered either far from the border or on the water, whereas the entire land border with Mexico has fairly low rates. The hotspot locations tend to correlate with low rates of vaccination among the public.

In addition, the U.S. does not have a “wide open” border. Most people who are encountered are turned away under a Trump-era policy that Biden continued.

We rate the statement False.
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WeToddDid2 · Aug 10, 2021

gwb-trading said:
DeSantis’ effort to blame COVID-19 spread on migrants is short on evidence
https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...d-19-spread-on-migrants-is-short-on-evidence/

As coronavirus cases spike nationally, and especially in Florida, a blame game has erupted between President Joe Biden and Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.

Florida has the second-highest per-capita coronavirus case load of any state as of Aug. 6, exceeding its level at any point during the pandemic. Florida also has the highest coronavirus hospitalization rate of any state, at more than three times the national average.

Biden pointed this out in remarks on Aug. 3. “Make no mistake,” he said. “The escalation of cases is particularly concentrated in states with low vaccination rates. Just two states, Florida and Texas, account for one-third of all new COVID-19 cases in the entire country. ... Look, we need leadership from everyone. And if some governors aren’t willing to do the right thing to beat this pandemic, then they should allow businesses and universities who want to do the right thing to be able to do it.”

DeSantis unloaded on Biden during an Aug. 4 news conference in Panama City.

“He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border. You have hundreds of thousands of people pouring across every month,” DeSantis said. “You have over 100 different countries where people are pouring through. Not only are they letting them through — they’re then farming them out all across our communities across this country. Putting them on planes, putting them on buses.”

DeSantis doubled down in a fundraising letter later that day: “Joe Biden has the nerve to tell me to get out of the way on COVID while he lets COVID-infected migrants pour over our southern border by the hundreds of thousands. No elected official is doing more to enable the transmission of COVID in America than Joe Biden with his open borders policies.”

Public health experts said it’s reasonable to be concerned about coronavirus spreading among migrants, especially if they’re living in close quarters. “It would be fair to say that detention centers, like prisons, are likely to be ‘hotspots’ for transmission,” said Babak Javid, a professor of medicine at the University of California-San Francisco. “We saw a lot of this last year,” earlier in the pandemic.

But they said there is no evidence it’s happening on the scale that DeSantis described.

It may well be that immigrants coming illegally into the country are contributing to COVID-19 caseloads, “but given the extensive transmission already in the U.S., the immigration contribution is akin to pouring a bucket of water into a swimming pool,” said William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University. “It’s hard to measure and pretty trivial.”

U.S.-Mexico border not ‘wide open’
In a statement, DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw focused on the migrants who make it across the border without detection. She acknowledged that migration is not the only factor in COVID-19 spread.

“We know tens of thousands of migrants cross the border illegally every month,” she said. “Officials don’t have a precise number, because the border is porous, and it stands to reason that many people enter undetected. ... Some of those countries where a significant portion of the migrants hail from, such as Haiti, have extremely low rates of COVID vaccination.”

Still, it is wrong to say, as DeSantis did, that the southern border is “wide open” for everyone to just come into the country. Most people who are encountered are turned away under a public health law invoked by Trump’s administration and continued by Biden.

Border officials — at and between ports of entries — recorded more than 822,000 encounters with migrants from February to June, and most of those people were expelled under the public health law. These individuals don’t get to stay in the country to request asylum or other immigration protection.

Nicole Hallett, a professor and director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School, told PolitiFact that the apprehension numbers reflect that people trying and failing to cross multiple times.

“Apprehensions have increased because of the strict COVID restrictions, not because restrictions have eased,” Hallett said.

The Biden administration has allowed certain groups of migrants to file for immigration protection, such as children arriving alone at the southern border and some families with young children. The Department of Homeland Security, however, said it had recently resumed expedited removal flights for certain families who recently arrived at the southern border.

Officials in February began to let in asylum seekers who were waiting for a resolution of their U.S. immigration cases in Mexico under the Trump-era Remain in Mexico program. (Biden ended that program in June.)

The United States is also temporarily limiting inbound land border crossings from Mexico; non-essential travel is not allowed.

Customs and Border Protection told PolitiFact in April that personnel do initial inspections for symptoms or risk factors associated with COVID-19 and consult with onsite medical personnel, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or local health systems as appropriate.

DHS also said in April that it works with state and local authorities and non-governmental organizations to make sure that all migrants are tested for COVID-19 “at some point during their immigration journey.”

This doesn’t mean that the chance of coronavirus spread on the border is zero. For instance, McAllen, Texas, along the border with Mexico, has seen an increasing number of migrants arriving in recent weeks. According to the city, more than 7,000 migrants have tested positive for the coronavirus, out of 87,000 migrants who had passed through the city.

But drawing a clear line between migrants and the spread of the coronavirus throughout the U.S., as DeSantis did, requires a sense of how many migrants are evading detection and how many of them are infected.

“Otherwise, it is a statement without any facts to substantiate it,” said Nicole Gatto, an associate professor in Claremont Graduate University’s school of community and global health.

The current surge is driven by community spread
The data for coronavirus cases provides poor support for the notion that the virus is being spread by illegal immigration.

Significant outbreaks are happening well inland from the border, in states like Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky and Missouri. Public health experts express skepticism that illegal border crossings are to blame for these outbreaks.

If DeSantis were correct, the land border between the U.S. and Mexico would be among the hardest-hit parts of the country, since even if migrants eventually disperse to other locations, they would have an impact on coronavirus rates locally first.

However, the entire land border between San Diego and the southern tip of Texas shows relatively low case rates compared with the entire southeastern quadrant of the U.S.

Given this data, “it doesn’t seem right that illegal immigration is driving the current surge,” said Javid, the University of California-San Francisco professor.

There’s also a more plausible explanation for the coronavirus surge’s current pattern: Case rates are higher in places with lower rates of vaccination.

An analysis by the New York Times found that at the end of July, counties with vaccination rates below 30 percent had coronavirus case rates well over double the case rates in counties with at least 60 percent vaccination. And five of the six least-vaccinated states — Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi — are all squarely within the geographical quadrant of the country that has the highest case rates.

Some of the hardest-hit places, such as southwestern Missouri, are far from the border, while others, such as southern Louisiana, are on the water.

“The pattern of distribution of coronavirus cases does not correspond in any way to immigrant movement,” said Arthur Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine. “And the paths to ‘bringing’ COVID here are many, including tourists, diplomats, boat workers, student exchange, and cruises.”

Caplan said he views DeSantis’ statements as the latest in a long history of efforts to offload blame for infectious diseases on immigrants.

“The notion of immigrants bringing disease has been alleged about Gypsies, Jews, Italians, Irish, and Blacks,” he said. “As we know from Ebola, SARS, and influenza, infections get here all the time. The issue is what we do to stop their spread.”

Our ruling
DeSantis said Biden has driven the current coronavirus surge because he “imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border.”

The available evidence shows that coronavirus hot spots tend to be clustered either far from the border or on the water, whereas the entire land border with Mexico has fairly low rates. The hotspot locations tend to correlate with low rates of vaccination among the public.

In addition, the U.S. does not have a “wide open” border. Most people who are encountered are turned away under a Trump-era policy that Biden continued.

We rate the statement False.
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FALSE

That article is fake news.

WeToddDid2 · Aug 10, 2021