man you are a piece of work. i never said i pay more for a house but that it costs me more because debtors like you are subsidised. in addition taxes that i pay could be used elswhere or even lowered if not for your subsidy. dense.
In order to better understand Vhehns mindset you must first realise that liberals look at money a person has earned as the governments first and the person who actually worked for the money second. There is a video someone posted yesterday where Michael Moore pretty much sums up this position. You will see this all over the place, where liberals claim that any time someone who earns lots of money gets to keep more of their money they are infact robbing from the poor. Even though the money the person made was his to begin with. The line they love to throw out is that "The rich steal from the poor" when everyone in a capitalist system actually gets to choose whether or not they participate, and what their level of participation is, as opposed to the government who forcibly steals your money by threat of imprisonment. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...heirs_thats_a_national_resource_its_ours.html
so once again, tell me how much more it costs you because someone takes out a loan on buying a house. what is the cost to you? quantify it. how is the calculation made? how have your taxes increased this year because of the millions who take out traditional 30 year mortgages? what percentage have your taxes gone up? i'll accept an answer to any of these. pick one. you can try to re-word and dance around all you want, but if you can't tell me how much more it costs you (and we both know you can't) then your argument is essentially the same as most of your arguments on this site - worthless. go on, take your time. i'll wait.
this goes beyond a basic philosophical ideal. tinkerbell just mouths off here without a full understanding of most of the topics he/she/it rants about in the first place. then someone calls him/her/it out on it and the results are typically the same - ignore the corrected statistics in the originally erroneous post, attempt to redirect, change the topic, morph as much semantics as possible and continue to insist he/she/it has one iota of common sense about how things work. the majority of the topics i have issues with on tinkerbell's posts are finance related. it is clear that knowledge of how things work in the world of economics are a real weak point for him/her/it. it's a common theme on tinkerbell's posts.
look you imature idiot. dealing with you is like dealing with a 20 year old 5th grader. when we started down this rabbit trail you said this: "lastly, eliminating interest deductions is the surest way to completely kill what is left of the housing market, as there would be NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO EVER OWN A HOUSE AGAIN. read that sentence and think about it deeply." in your own words you said that without the interest subsidy houses would be much cheaper. in the real world where the rest of us live that means it is costing cash buyers more to purchase a house because houses are subsidised for debtors. its really not that hard to understand. 3 clicks with a mouse and google would educate you but you just prefer to be an ass. thats a sign of immaturity.
i know you continue to do your best to twist the argument as best you can to justify the dumbass statements youve made throughout this thread (starting with the hilarity regarding the IRS getting $10 on every dollar increased in their budget) but you need to fathom a bit deeper. removing the interest deduction wouldn't just make houses cheaper. it would make them completely collapse. including you who purchased a house in cash - your house price would plummet and you would lose your capital investment in a much greater fashion than any "artificial inflation of price" caused by the interest deduction. truly, a college course on macro economics might come in handy. i'm sure they have them in your area. give me your zip and i'll look up some good ones for you. once again, for posterity: removal of the interest deduction "subsidy" would cause home values to plummet. you think they went down bad in the subprime crisis? you aint seen nuthin'. take that deduction away, and expect a full quarter more of downside, if not more. then how much cash have you lost? come on, i know you can work your way through this complex issue. and you know, once we're done, we could even do some word problems!
" Free Thinker " You start a thread under the 'Politics and Religion' forum, in fact label said thread in a derisory fashion towards citizens aligned with a particular political party not of your ilk, and then rapidly descend into personal attacks and vitriol against any member taking a viewpoint different than your own. And you choose to call yourself " Free Thinker ".
in his defense, i was equally at fault for attacks. but you're right. the moniker does not reflect the behavior (in terms of free) and the behavior does not reflect the moniker (in terms of actually "thinking" about anything whatsoever).
IRS: The United States terroist organization. Cutting the IRS budget? Grand! In fact, they should cut it all the way to nothing! Stop the audits. Stop the imprisonments. Stop the insane yearly filing nonsense. Stop the madness! www.fairtax.org