Remember when the nuts on the left laughed about death panels?

I didn't do any surveys myself. There are surveys out there regarding social security.

 

So link to the study that supports your statement.

 

The list of people paying attention to you will just keep getting smaller and smaller. Let me know when you grow up, and we'll chat again sometime. Have the last word. You always do anyway.

 

Yes it's endemic to the system yet tsing seems to get pissed off that I mention that as a known historical fact.
And supposedly me mentioning it as fact is INSULTING and THROWING SHIT on the forum.

 

Can't argue with any of that. Take powers away from the Federal government and give them to the states to manage. That's what states were created for in the first place - little laboratories of democracy. States have limited resources, AND competition (other states).

 

I don't know how to do that. The Feds, President, Congress won't give up any power.

Only a crisis/collapse bigger than the last one can force a change. That or a successful revolution. How else?

 

1)Perhaps but , it's really simple IF you had any compelling points to counter mine you would have made them.

2) Me grow up? I just finished telling you that if you found where I had insulted you in this thread that I would apologize to you.

The offer still stands.
Sounds pretty grown up to me.

 

I agree. There's no way to reverse it. The only thing I can possibly imagine without bloodshed is if states began to win big in court against the Federal government. Obamacare, immigration and the like. But with a corrupt judicial branch, that's about as likely as "monkeys flying out of my butt", to borrow a phrase from Wayne's World.

 

Oh so now you've changed you mind eh?
Good for you, you're getting there.

 

I would have been more than happy to counter points you made (which were not all that dissimilar to mine had you just heard me out). But like most debates you get in, you start off with what I'd call incendiary comments that are unnecessary, designed to get a rise out of the person you're going back and forth with. Comments like "The fact that you can't see the difference is quite telling" or saying I'm whining and the like. You're doing this to get a rise out of me, and after the way you did it with the whole "porch monkey" thread the other day, I no longer have the patience to deal with you on it. You're interested in scoring points, not debating to a solution.

Scat and I had a perfectly good discussion without any of that. You don't seem capable of not taking jabs. To me, that's one of the reasons conversations degrade on these forums the way they do.