Reid calls ranchers terrorists, and NY times calls Veterans white supremacists

murray t turtle · May 1, 2014

bigarrow said:
http://news.yahoo.com/harry-reid-cliven-bundys-armed-supporters-domestic-terrorists-125603609.html

Harry Reid: Cliven Bundy's armed supporters are 'domestic terrorists'
Rhetoric in the skirmish over Cliven Bundy's cattle grazing on federal land in Nevada is harsh. But national tea party organizations and the GOP donât see it as a major fight â not like Obamacare.

The tea party and most Republicans, it seems, are not saddling up to join the Nevada range war.

Rancher Cliven Bundyâs fight with the US Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over grazing fees came to a head last week when federal agents âgatheredâ â thatâs the bureaucratic term for ârounded upâ â some 400 head of Mr. Bundyâs cows.

The BLM backed off when a crowd of Bundyâs supporters showed up, many on horseback and many displaying firearms, including militia types brandishing assault-style rifles.

The imagery seemed to have been perfect for those opposed to what they consider to be government over-reach â including many who count themselves members of the tea party movement as well as the most conservative Republican officials. Fox News, the Drudge Report, and Glenn Beck thumped the drum of controversy.

But so far, national tea party and Republican organizations havenât made it a big issue.

âIf they want to rally voters against big government, they already have Obamacare for that,â observes David Nather at Politico.com. The Affordable Care Act â a key GOP talking point in the upcoming midterm elections â impacts virtually every American, he points out.

Grazing fees in the rural West, however, affect a relative handful of ranchers (some 18,000, according to the BLM). They may grumble about it, but they pay the fee and get on with the business of raising beef cattle.

(Grazing fees are assessed per âanimal unit monthâ or AUM, the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month. The grazing fee for 2014, based on market conditions, is $1.35 per AUM â the lowest it can be set under federal law.)

While many of those who showed up in support of Bundy were cowboys and ranchers, officials from the Nevada Cattlemenâs Association were not among them.

The organization complains about âfederal regulations [that] have infringed on â¦ public land grazing rights and the multiple use management principle,â as it did in a press release this week.

âHowever, in accordance with the rule of law, we must use the system set forth in our Constitution to change those laws and regulations,â the statement continued. âNevada Cattlemen's Association does not condone actions that are outside the law in which citizens take the law into their own hands â¦ Nevada Cattlemenâs Association does not feel it is our place to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter. Additionally, NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the Federal Courts.â

Those courts have ruled against Bundy several times â the basis for the BLMâs charge that the rancher owes Uncle Sam more than $1 million in fees dating back 20 years.

Bundy says he recognizes only state and county authority, not Washingtonâs. But the Nevada State Constitution acknowledges the authority of the federal government in such cases, stating that âthe Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United Statesâ¦â

Regarding the 85 percent of Nevada that is federal land, the state constitution says: âThe people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States.â

If the feud involves Bundy and one other major figure, thatâs US Sen. Harry Reid (D) of Nevada, the Senate Majority Leader, whose involvement is seen by some in conspiratorial fashion.

Many of Bundyâs supporters believe that Sen. Reid and his son are involved in a land grab to build a solar energy facility backed by Chinese investors. Theyâre suspicious of the fact that the head of the BLM, Neil Kornze, used to work for Reid.

Speaking at an event this week hosted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Reid said the Bundy supporters who brought firearms to the confrontation with the BLM are ânothing more than domestic terrorists.â

Reid pointed to the comments of Bundy supporter and former Arizona sheriff Richard Mack, who told Fox News: âWe were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, itâs going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.â

âRogueâ or not, federal officers deescalated the confrontation by leaving Bundyâs cattle alone for now.

âThe BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially,â Mr. Kornze, the agency chief, said in a statement. Given past federal court decisions, the federal government would seem to have the upper hand.

Meanwhile, long-term shifts in diet, methods of cattle production, and environmental sensibilities mean fewer and fewer acres of public land are used for grazing.

âOver time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land, and that trend continues today,â the BLM reports. âGrazing use on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 7.9 million AUMs in 2013. In most years, the actual use of forage is less than the amount authorized because forage amounts and demands depend on several factors, such as drought, wildfire, and market conditionsâ¦.â
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Good points>>B>>>> Arrow, [not as good as cut/partial defund gov spending] but some good points, for sure .

Actually the federal gov had pretty good timing on shooting trespassing cows;
one of my farm magazines has cover story on HI price of beef . If that trespassing rancher cant make a profit with beef this HI priced he needs to get off US taxpayer property reguardless.... Big Arrow ,I have drank alcohol before, but I don't think I did it before hunt target shoot......Booze hinders, not helps HI %% target hitting.

I don't really care too much for Senator Reid, he is party responsible for the ''train wreck ''called ACA/Obamacare.. But actually, Senator Harry Reid has a better than average Dem track record on 2nd amendment. He got millions for a Nevada [silver state] public SHOOTING TARGET RANGE......NRA American Rifleman magazine is the reliable source, for that info.

By the way, TWRA[Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency]: hires the TN game wardens ], notes for wildlife food plots, keep pigs + cattle OUT!!

Lucrum · May 4, 2014

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LEAPup · May 4, 2014

Lucrum said:
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That's one of the best talks on today's libtard I've seen!

Lucrum · May 11, 2014

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