daniel_m, I learned a lot from them. However, like any good "original thinker," all good philosophers will use their own life experiences in formulating various philosophies. See, here is the really funny bit. I'm smart enough to realize that I don't need to debate MY god with you because it is a personal experience. Why do some people like chocolate and not strawberry? If you debated that strawberry was better, would it make it so for everyone? Of course not! And yet, here you and Axeman are trying to tell the rest of us that there is no god, yet you can't prove it! Then, you sit there and say you are winning because WE can't prove there IS a god. What kind of ass backwards logic are you employing in your debates lately? Axeman and Daniel -- Prove to me, without a shadow of a doubt, that there is not a creator to this universe. Come on I am waiting Mr. and Mrs. King of Debates.
If you think I am an agnostic, you clearly don't have a clue what an atheist or agnostic is. Better go check your philosophic definitions and leave the dictionary on the bookshelf. We are winning because you have failed to defend a SINGLE point that you have asserted. You have a pattern of making many many many assertions without supporting evidence. You seem to believe that making tons of assertions without evidence is how you win a debate. You must successfully DEFEND your assertions to be scored. You have failed to do so. Simple as that. Then you resort to calling us idiots. Ad Hominem. Know that fallacy? Im sure you do. You read all those books right? LOL. peace axeman
ass backwards logic huh? surely if you are asserting that there IS a god it is only proper that you provide us with some evidence to support such a claim, is it not? otherwise your claim that there is a god is nothing but a meaningless assertion. much the same as i claim there is a Zark who lives on the planet Zenon but refuse to offer evidence for it, i would be called a BS artist and told to shut the fuck up. prove to you there is no creator? okay. please give me a definition of your creator, so that i can point to the facts of reality which would deny him the possibility of existance.
Once again you are showing your complete ignorance. I have NEVER asserted that there is not a god. I have explained my "weak atheistic" position in detail already. Go re-read it. Other people have asserted that there IS a god or a creator. You asserted a creator, for example. The burden of proof is therefore on YOU. You then failed to defend this assertion. I logically pointed out many flaws in your argument. Therefore, you lost this debate. peace axeman
Axeman and Danny Boy, Everything that is created comes from a creator. We are here right now -- therefore something created us. That creation event is the Creator. How can you refute this ever-so-simple and easy to understand concept?
Axeman, I didn't lose the debate because you didn't listen very carefully to my original proposition! You need to fine tune your listening skills!
you talking about my parents? that's who created me... seriously, you are talking about the universe right? you are saying that because the universe exists, something must have caused it to exist right? this cause, you say, is "god"/Creator. well the first problem with that argument, is that you assume the universe actually NEEDS to be caused. that is a point I do not grant you. you would actually firstly need to prove, or attempt to with solid argument, that the universe REQUIRES an explanation. secondly, i need to know, is this "creator" who created the universe, still around? or did he create the universe and then vanish? also, did your creator create the universe ex nihilo, or did it simply rearrange the materials that were already in existance in such a way that the universe was formed? also, you would have to demonstrate that if EVERYTHING requires a cause, why your creator does not.
Daniel, So, you are now refuting a scientifically held principle that the universe is finite in time -- but has actually existed forever? If not, then surely something existed before it. So, which is it -- Are you saying that science is wrong and the universe has existed forever or are you saying that the universe has not existed forever yet nothing existed before it?
we are not debating the universe here, we are debating the existance of a creator of it. so please answer my questions concerining the nature of your alleged creator.