Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rs7, Aug 29, 2002.

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  1. Jesus never gave us the option of putting Him in the category of a great moral teacher with Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius and others. These other great religious teachers never claimed to be God. Jesus Christ of Nazareth claimed to be God. Jesus didn't leave any other option open to us. His claim must be either true or false, so it is something that should be given serious consideration.
     
    #811     Sep 12, 2002
  2. C.S. Lewis drives this point home:
    "I'm trying here to prevent anyone from saying the really silly thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That's the one thing we mustn't say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said wouldn't be a great moral teacher. He'd either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who says he's a poached egg - or else He'd be the Devil of Hell.

    You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But don't let us come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great moral teacher. He hasn't left that open to us. He didn't intend to."
     
    #812     Sep 12, 2002
  3. So if Jesus is not just a great moral teacher, what does the Bible say about Him?

    And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities - all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things and in Him all things hold together.
     
    #813     Sep 12, 2002
  4. Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
     
    #814     Sep 12, 2002
  5. 135+ Pages later, we are still no closer to unraveling the secrets of the universe.
     
    #815     Sep 12, 2002
  6. Let's look closer. Jesus could only have been one of four things: a legend, a liar, a lunatic--or Lord and God. There is so much historical and archeological evidence to support his existence that every reputable historian agrees he was not just a legend. If he were a liar, why would he die for his claim, when he could easily have avoided such a cruel death with a few choice words? And, if he were a lunatic, how did he engage in intelligent debates with his opponents or handle the stress of his betrayal and crucifixion while continuing to show a deep love for his antagonists? He said he was Lord and God.The evidence supports that claim.
     
    #816     Sep 12, 2002
  7. He claimed to live a sinless life

    Jesus could look at a crowd of people angry at his claims to share God's nature and ask, "Which of you can point to anything wrong in my life?" Even more amazing is that none of them could give a reply! No human being has ever lived a sinless life, except for Jesus.

    John 8:28-29 "So Jesus said, 'When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know who I am and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.'"

    John 8:46-47 "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
     
    #817     Sep 12, 2002
  8. He claimed to be the ONLY way to God

    Not one of several ways, but the one and only way. Not to teach the way, but to be the way to God. Nobody has ever made claims like that before and backed them, but Jesus did through his love, balanced life, and miracles.

    John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."

    Matthew 11:27 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
     
    #818     Sep 12, 2002

  9. That is simply one BIG FAT LIE!

    NO reputable historian agrees he exists! HA! suck on that preacher boY!

    Don't just say you have evidence...PROVE IT! show me it. tell me where I can find it.

    He wasn't a lunatic or a liar. he is a mythical creation!

    keep your eyes closed dunderbolt...i suppose life is easier for you that way.
     
    #819     Sep 12, 2002
  10. dunderbolt,

    why do you only quote the parts of the bible that you like? i could show you some real nasty shit that was supposedly said by jesus himself...but that proves nothing.

    get it through your head - THE BIBLE IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING!
     
    #820     Sep 12, 2002
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