Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rs7, Aug 29, 2002.

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  1. 1) you continue to suggest I have no evidence for God.

    This is not true at all. My substantial gathering of evidence convinces me but not you. But of course it's not really relevant whether You are convinced, because you are not me.

    Again, this is my belief obviously. But for you to say that I have no evidence is prima facie incorrect. Better to stand by your vehement disagreement.


    no, no, no, no. It doesn't work like that. You have evidence? Then present it, so that we can discuss whether it is legitimate or not - we can decide whether or not your evidence constitutes proof. Proof is either proof for all, or it's not proof at all.


    2) you think I "need" to believe in God for some reason because of a personal weakness of some sort.

    I am a capable guy with a beautiful wife, a happy life and deep confidence in my abilities. I don't need a crutch or a panacea or a mental drug to brighten my dark days (no pun intended ha ha).


    In other words, you have purposely chosen to adopt and maintain a completely irrational and logically indefensible position. Good for you.


    p.s. still happy to have a beer w/ ya some day if our paths ever cross

    You're on! Let's wait till we're rolling in the big bucks and do it in style!
     
    #491     Sep 6, 2002
  2. Is that the definition of "evidence?" I'm too lazy to look it up, but does it have to be something you provide to another person? Isn't that what "proof" is?
     
    #492     Sep 6, 2002
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    #493     Sep 6, 2002
  4. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    Its funny....there are many people who don't believe in GOD, yet pray to him when they find themselves in trouble...Look at all the born again Christians in jail......
     
    #494     Sep 6, 2002
  5. proof Pronunciation Key (prf)
    n.
    The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

    The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.
    A statement or argument used in such a validation.


    ev·i·dence Pronunciation Key (v-dns)
    n.
    A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.




    As you can see.... "proof" tends to learn toward
    a rational argument of sorts.
    Where as "evidence", tends to be a "thing" which
    can be shown to someone.


    So what im saying is.... these "experiences" dark
    claims to have had does not constitute evidence,
    since it is not a "thing" which is presentable.

    He also has not given us any kind of "proof" for
    the existence of god either.


    peace

    axeman




     
    #495     Sep 6, 2002
  6. If that is true then you, like a cup so full that runs over the sides, there is no room for any more knowledge of deity or religion to be added. By following your conclusion to its logical end, if it is impossible to understand or know deity, then it stands to reason that anyone who says they do must either be a fool or a liar. Does that sum it up?
     
    #496     Sep 6, 2002
  7. why do you think god was invented cubano?

    imagine, you are a warrior in ancient times about to go to battle. wouldn't YOU like to think that your death (very probable) is going to count for something? if someone told you there was a great god in the sky above that would take care of you after you were dead, wouldn't you feel a little better about it?

    wouldn't you feel a little better thinking that there was greater reason for rampant plagues and diseases taking away your loved ones?

    wouldn't you feel a little better thinking that someone out there in the heavens believes you when you say you are sorry for committing whatever crimes you did, and forgives you?

    wouldn't you feel better thinking you know WHY you even exist?
    WHY the world is the way it is?

    "God" is a great answer to all these things...HOWEVER, that does NOT in any way mean that there really is a god.
    And furthermore, history has proven beyond any shadow of doubt that while the idea of god may be comforting in the moment, belief in gods has been the cause of major psychological damage on the personal level, and divisiveness, hatred, mistrust and bloodshed on a global level.

    - Big M.
     
    #497     Sep 6, 2002
  8. As strange as it seems to you, YES!

    And if they don't want to be a called a fool, then the onus is most assuredly on their shoulders to provide logical proof for their position. Since none is forthcoming, or even, by the likes of people like you, deemed necessary, belief in god remains utterly irrational.
     
    #498     Sep 6, 2002
  9. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    Im just saying.....If you don't believe don't come a praying in time of need...thats all....

    Can I get a reply anytime soon on the PM???

    TheBigMo'FuckCuban
     
    #499     Sep 6, 2002
  10. Perhaps it is just me, but in the definitions you provided, it does appear that one can have evidence by way of experience to satisfy one's own belief in something (and it only has to fit one of the definitions of course).
     
    #500     Sep 6, 2002
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