daniel m wrote: >Dude, seems you really did miss the boat. Why oh why do people just conveniently ignore the FACT that there is NO EXTRA BIBLICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT JESUS - THE MAN - EVER LIVED??? Why do we need to waste time debating what he said when we can, in all confidence, assume he never freakin existed!! Obviously if Christianity's main man - jesus - was a complete fabrication, as can, and has, easily been shown, then the whole foundation for the religion has been shot to pieces.. and the bible can take its rightful place in history next to alice in wonderland.< Ever lived? Yet our calendar in based on the death of this ficticious character. Come on, Billions of people over the course of 2000 years--and you--daniel--figured it out. How great you are?
daniel wrote: >The concept of 'sin' is one of the most devious (and, sadly, successful) plots ever concocted. Christianity has managed to create a problem where none existed - the idea of sin - and present ITSELF as the solution to it. Perfect! (take the concept of 'original sin' - BRILLIANT. these SOBs have got you by the balls before you've even learnt to utter two words..)< What would you call the act committed by the terrorists on 9-11? Is this not a problem? If there's no sin, then they did absolutely nothing wrong. Once again, you are so self absorbed in your own sin that it has diverted your mind from the truth--JESUS.
This is a fallacy. I do in fact believe that Jesus the man lived, although I personally don't believe that he was divine. If you do, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to convince others, referring to the populace (what "everyone" believes) is not proof. Hypothetically, the calendar could be created around someone who was invented by a few and became a myth. Again, I do in fact believe Jesus lived, but I am making the point to try to make you see where your arguments are coming up short.
it's no longer a matter of 'believing' - we have damn near conclusive evidence that he never lived!! if you wanna close your eyes to factual matters, fine.
The context of the discussion, upon whom the burden of proof is placed, has nothing to do with the facts of whether Jesus lived. If you'd read and/or understood the discussion, you wouldn't have jumped in and made comments out of your ass. Now that you've informed us how strongly you believe that Jesus did not even exist, what is this "near conclusive evidence that he never lived"????
i want to ask the religious people here a serious question... who created jesus? if you say his mother, who created his mother? how ever far back you guys can go, i want to know how the first got there.
where is heaven? i want to know.....like where is it exactly? in the sky/clouds? where? and where is hell? is it in the center of the earth or something?
i gotta say, noah's ark must have been huge! to fit all those animals on there! i thought the titanic was big... how did he exactly catch alligators, cheetahs, elephants...he was some guy that noah.