I'll get to the other post after we chew through this basic idea for a bit. And to skip to the end I'm not saying atheism is illogical, but that atheists who rely on science to give them answers to questions about god are being illogical. There may be logical reasons to not believe, such as "god hasn't spoken to me" or "god hasn't made himself known unto me". The basic premise is that science will never be able to conclusively prove or disprove anything regarding a being who actually is omniscient and omnipotent other than what the being wishes to reveal. If that being doesn't reveal himself in such a way that science can measure, test and hypothesize then science will never come up with the right answer concerning that being. Rather than looking to science to give the answer to god's existence, why not look to god directly? I'm not saying look to religion A, B or C, but look to god. Some people do this through prayer while others do it through meditation or Zen. Some whirl like dervishes to get in tune and some read scripture. If an all powerful, all knowing god does exist then he certainly is capable of communicating with us if he wants to do so. The problem with miracles and such is that people don't believe them even when they are right in front of us. You say show a miracle, I say look at the Bible, there are hundreds. You say you don't believe the bible and so we get nowhere.
Let me simply restate. I'm not saying an omnipotent/omniscient god is incapable of anything. But to show all power and all knowledge he would have to make us all powerful and all knowing too. I don't think god is that stupid! He could show us in such a way that we knew he had all power and all knowledge. I totally agree. If god showed you a vision and opened your mind so that you could comprehend all that, how would you go about scientifically confirming that vision? And furthermore to stu's point, Why would you want to?
Tripack, you're blowing these atheists away. They can't grasp your logic and reasoning that requires a form of Godliness to understand.
God manifested many actions through Jesus but they were ignored and he was put to secular death. So, God could show us all sorts of things(which he already has), but man would find a way to ignore them or discredit them all together. Thus, it wouldn't do any good, anyhow. You'd still be on the ET board posting garbage.
firstly, you are still convinced that an omnipotent being is POSSIBLE. i say this is rubbish, because it compeltely contradicts the laws of logic. you say an omniscient being is possible. so you are implicitly saying that man does not have free will. if your god knows before hand everything i'm gonna do, i am nothing but a pre-destined robot. if he does not know what i will do, he is not omniscient. you haven't commented on your god's alleged omnibenevolance i guess because all the evidene suggests he is not. then you say there ARE miracles and point to the bible as evidence? my friend, that is not evidence, but pure hearsay! the bible is not admissable as evidence anyway, because it is your only source of information on god. therefore the truthfulness of the bible is exactly what is at question here! WHY WHY WHY aren't i allowed to critically examine the claims the bible makes? your entire position rests on "the bible says a miracle happened, therefore it happened." HOW DO I KNOW THE BIBLE IS TRUE????? answer me that!!!! sheessh...you people act as though the bible is the ONLY book that makes miraculous claims. religions THROUGHOUT HISTORY have made miraculous claims, do we accept all of them as true??? your logic suggests we ought to!
your god need only let us know of his omnipotence, nothing more. He could show us in such a way that we knew he had all power and all knowledge. I totally agree. If god showed you a vision and opened your mind so that you could comprehend all that, how would you go about scientifically confirming that vision? The Bible is not a miracle it is a work of fiction You can have any kind of metaphysical god you like, it can only exist in your head. Because you can't see it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist?? Then so does FPC's Unicorn test or axeman's Big Foot test. Those are just as valid. Believe there is a god if you want, but you cannot ever say that it is the TRUTH anymore than Big Foot.
it only compeltely contradicts your laws of logic. Once again, you don't even know 1/10000000000000000000000000000th of what there is to know. So, put your puny logic back in your pocket and go home.