I don't recall anyone bringing up that argument from Descartes. So why are you bringing us this argument and critique?
pascal's wager makes sense, even though it, in and of itself, does not "prove" the existence of anything. the "atheist" site recomended by axeman was quite funny and full of garbage. for example one of the stupidist lines was in the FAQ section concerning the 2nd law of thermodynamics---- " an acorn as it grows into a tree represents order from chaos"(paraphrased) LMAO. that is just an ignorant ascertation. there are numerous other "misspeaks" and inaccuracies on the "atheist" site. FACE IT -- the belief in evolution takes as much faith as belief in god. ok, back to the refutation of pascal's wager refute---step by step 1. how do you know which god to believe in ? answer--- all religions are reflections of the same creator--different names, different concepts but at the core its the same creator. this statement is a "red herring" and has nothing to do with the wager itself. 2. god is not stupid, he will know you are trying to get a free ride to heaven out of convience. answer---once again, makes no sense. the atheists are using a statement "god is not stupid" in an idiotic and improper fashion another "red herring" 3. if there is no god you still have lost something answer--- that is a subjective question and meaningless without clarification by the individual 4. can you get away with general belief ? answer--- its super funny that an "athiest" would ask this question to refute an existence of god wager. once again--- irelevant. i could go on and on---but the point is made. surf
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Did you even BOTHER TO READ THIS?!?!?! Check the conclusion at the end which says: While God might exist and might be the cause of Descartesâ idea of God, Descartes fails to prove that this must be so. This critique BASHES Descartes for writing an illogical proof, and alphe is cheering about reinforcements! Oh, how funny! Its a well know FLAWED proof alphe. I thought you read all those philosophy books? You dont lie very well do you? peace axeman
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, I sure missed something! Last time I saw this thread it was at pg. 36 :eek: Someone fill me in----> what are we talking about?
Guys, What are you guys indulging in here? If the truth could be understood in a logical-linear fashion wouldn't every body have already told their brothers by now???????
That's why I think God and Universe cannot be separate. Stu, please explain if you can: "Quantum principles show that the "existence" of nothing, that is no time, no matter of any kind, no space (there has to be no space if there is nothing), is unstable and such a state decays. Why "existence of nothing" is unstable? daniel_m: equating "god" with "universe" is a really cheap way to claim that EVERYONE really believes in god, because of a simple piece of definitional wizardry.. "God = Creator" solves the problem? Religion is a different story, IMO...