Refco Account Security

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by Htrader, Oct 10, 2005.

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  1. Giveit up buddy ... nobody cares ... and if you really think your business or reputation has been damaged by postings on ET (LOL) then you really have something to worry about.
     
    #321     Oct 16, 2005
  2. I am curious ... was RFX trading pre market
    on any ECN's that day ? I assume the specialist did not open the market in RFX that day on the NYSE before refco was halted ?

    saw this on nasdaqtrader under trading halts section

    _10/13/2005_
    _09:30:39_
    _RFX_
    _REFCO INC._
    _T1_
     
    #322     Oct 16, 2005
  3. Felix

    Felix

    What exactly do you mean with "futures broker"? The introducing broker? Or the FCM (clearing broker) where the customer's funds are held?

    Does an introducing broker have any authority to take money from a customer's account? In my understanding, an introducer is no more than a middleman between customer and FCM who cannot touch the client's funds. All payments are made directly to the FCM's bank account, and vice versa withdrawals directly from the FCM to the customer.

    Please correct me if I should be wrong.
     
    #323     Oct 16, 2005
  4. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    well i guess there is a lot of confusion and panic among refco account holders at the moment.

    without wanting to stir up any debate about who is to blame, which units are safe etc i thought this link may provide some fortitude to worried account holders....

    (sorry if it has been posted before - it probably has, but i cant be arsed to read 50 odd pages of negativity to find out :) )

    http://www.cme.com/about/press/cn/05-138CMERefcoStatement16261.html

    basically, the bottom line is that refco business is still good. (i traded on my refco account on friday before i was aware it was so bad - no probs). the merc is happy they are good for it, and its a different entity from the other troubled & closed down units.

    i guess the bottom line though is that the company is in shit and the futures business could well be sold off - there is a fire sell going on this weekend by goldman

    sleep tight folks.
     
    #324     Oct 16, 2005
  5. No, an introducing broker doesn't usually have anything to do with your accounts. FCM's are clearing merchants who are ultimately responsible for clearing your trades to the exchange. There are many situations where a futures broker signs an agreement with an FCM (Fortis, Advantage Futures, O'Connor, RCG, etc) and then manages their own accounts. Many prop firms are run this way and they have full access to your accounts. I can't think of any retail futures brokers at the moment who are not also FCM's. An FCM has to put up a tremendous amount of capital to conduct its business.
     
    #325     Oct 16, 2005
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

     
    #326     Oct 16, 2005
  7. Obviously, Baron Robertson has a problem with the libelous statements that JimRockford posted back on page 53 of this thread, otherwise he would not have DELETED them.

    Ask yourself why.
     
    #327     Oct 16, 2005
  8. plugger

    plugger

    Apex, is the libelous post from Rockford quoted in one of your posts? If that's the one you're talking about, everyone can still read it. Page 53 near the bottom.
     
    #328     Oct 16, 2005
  9. Thank you Sir for correctly pointing that out.
    I will bring this to the attention of the powers that "be" at ET so that it can be appropriately rectified in the morning.
     
    #329     Oct 16, 2005
  10. ellokn

    ellokn

    Huh? You must have some really deep issues. I said early Saturday morning,

    "What might happen however, is that the liabily of the parent company is now so high, and lawyers are circling, and customer flight so fast, the brokerge could die a rapid death. This will not be the first time such a thing has happened. So we put on another trade with another broker. Life goes on"

    I don't know what you are talking about accusing me to say (attacking me?) that I am encouraging readers to take risk with Refco? And then going so far as to insinuate that I get some sort of reward. Oh brother.

    I speculated that the company would die a rapid death and that we (meaning those who have accounts with Refco) would wind up working with other brokers. And based on the most recent news it looks like that is happening right now.

    BTW, if I were Apex's legal council, I certaintly would have my complaint already written and filed. ET does have a liablility here. I do not understand why this thread is still on the board.
     
    #330     Oct 17, 2005
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