Reality based coin-tosser method that beats 95% of traders in the world.

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Whisky, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Whisky

    Whisky

    That heavily depends on the coin and the bum tossing the coin.

    Infinity is an exaggeration only for the - part. You'll be broke before then.

    You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.
     
    #371     Oct 21, 2009
  2. Whisky

    Whisky

    It makes a big difference. If you went long in 1875 you are dead and we are not having this chat.

    On the other hand if you went long a week from now, you live in a parallel universe at a different point in time and we are not having this chat either.

    In other words: You are a liar.

    You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.
     
    #372     Oct 21, 2009
  3. sosueme

    sosueme

    Interesting chart.
    I am not very clever with numbers, so tell me what you think of these.

    Comparing low to low in an uptrend ...

    S&P 1984 ... around 150
    2009 ... around 680

    CII 1981 ... 100
    2009 ... 632

    CII (cost inflation Index) is the gov. figure and is unrealistically low as we all know)

    After this there is still dollar deflation and use of money to be factored in.

    I will be fascinated to hear your opinion of buy and hold S&P

    sosueme
     
    #373     Oct 21, 2009
  4. u21c3f6

    u21c3f6

    Based on the original "system" the expectation is 0 but every period of time tested will more than likely have some result other than 0. The expectation is 0 because regardless of the size of the gain or loss for each day, there is a 50-50 chance for each which when added together is 0.

    Joe.
     
    #374     Oct 21, 2009
  5. AyeYo

    AyeYo

    You'll have to prove to everyone else that the original trading rules provide for a break-even system, before costs, and then you can start worrying about who's adding ticks where.

    You're attempting to trade a loaded pair of dice with coin toss, it doesn't work.
     
    #375     Oct 21, 2009
  6. AyeYo

    AyeYo

    Yes, I get that. It works out quite we'll when you're trading a fair instrument - not so well when the instrument is biased towards having more/higher winners than losers.
     
    #376     Oct 21, 2009
  7. Whisky

    Whisky

    Again?. I was hoping for more intelligent discourse than plain repetition.

    You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.
     
    #377     Oct 21, 2009
  8. AyeYo, it seems like you're confusing two issues.

    It is true that on average the up days are up by a larger amount than the down days.

    HOWEVER - you kinda skip the fact that you could very well be LOSING on an UP day and winning on a down day (and vice versa of course).

    In that case, does your account grow in value, or decrease in value, over such 2 trades?

    Obviously, it would *decrease*, all the while the underlying index price will have *increased*.


    Over all, over a large statistical sample of equiprobably distributed winning and losing trades (same probability to win or lose over time, but not necessarily by the same amount on each trade, but also winning trades do NOT necessarily have a bigger amount than losing trades), you end up with a grand total of... ZERO net profit.

    No less, but no more either.

    That's the way I see it anyway, maybe you'll be changing your view on this, though not sure I explain it too well... :)
     
    #378     Oct 21, 2009
  9. Whisky

    Whisky

    Some of you may be taking all this crap too personally. If so, read below:


    6 Lessons From Failure
    Embrace your mistakes
    by Jill Hoppe

    It wasn't a mistake - it was a lesson! Learn it well.


    Lesson 1: Acceptance
    When things don't go your way, it's natural to feel sad and angry - but it's also important to realize that if you let your emotions taint your behavior, you'll likely strain your relationships with others. In the long run, this will only make matters worse, and increase your stress level. So accept the realities around you, and deal with the facts "on the ground." Only then will you be able to figure out what factors you do have the power to influence.


    Lesson 2: Remember to laugh
    Maintaining a sense of humor in the face of a "failure" will prevent adversity from damaging your self-esteem too deeply. All of our experiences contribute to the richness of our life stories - every single one of them. Being able to laugh - especially at your own imperfections - demonstrates wisdom and maturity. This isn't a license to be cavalier about the situation, but it will keep you from taking yourself so seriously that you ignore the take-home lessons.



    Lesson 3: Get perspective
    Most of us place great importance on material wealth, but having an abundance of "stuff" has never truly made anyone feel loved, fulfilled or happy. In fact, wealthy people are often at much higher risk of clinical depression! Unemployment sometimes prompts people to seek out volunteer opportunities, and in those circumstances many confess that working with people who are sick, abused or living far below the poverty line has shifted their values in a truly positive way. Likewise, layoffs sometimes inspire people to pursue entirely new career paths - regardless of the earning potential - simply to follow their dreams.


    Maybe it's time to reevaluate your life's purpose: if your hours at work have been cut back, for instance, this could be a moment to cherish that extra time you have with friends and loved ones - and discover what really makes you happy. Perhaps it's the moment to blaze a new trail in your personal or professional life. Do something new that will help you gain a fresh perspective.



    Destiny doesn't always conform to our schedule. As you set your goals, remind yourself that accomplishing what you set out to do may take longer than you'd prefer - and that's okay.



    Lesson 4: Stay optimistic
    If you lose hope, your spirit will suffer. There are bound to be dark days when you feel like your life is falling apart, but seek out ways to manage stress so that you can maintain a positive outlook. Re-examine all those factors you do control, once more: keep tabs on your diet and exercise regimen, and get plenty of vitamin D. Keep a journal. Do what it takes to keep the blues at bay!



    Lesson 5: Find the silver lining
    Getting at that bright side is especially important for those who are seeking work. Appreciate all the extra time you have to reorganize your house, get in shape, and spend time with friends and family. Figure out what the situation is telling you about yourself, so you can arm yourself for future challenges.



    Lesson 6: Keep going
    Adversity and hardships have been the catalyst for many notable achievements. Take the superstar children's author J.K. Rowling, for instance. Divorce had left her a penniless single parent, with no job - and no prospects. She survived on government assistance for years. At one point, she was on the verge of being homeless. Despite Rowling's lack of writing experience, she managed to produce the Harry Potter series - which has become one of the most successful children's literature franchises of all time. When asked about her success, Rowling admits that failure taught her things about herself she could not have learned any other way. There are many other luminaries who have hit rock bottom before becoming successful: Chris Gardner, John D. Rockefeller, Mark Wahlberg and Sean Combs are just a few examples.


    Always remember that every problem contains, hidden within it, an opportunity - and it's up to you to find it!
     
    #379     Oct 21, 2009
  10. sosueme

    sosueme

    There you go.
    This the secret to trading ES successfully.
    Live by this code and the fog will clear
    sosueme
     
    #380     Oct 21, 2009