Reality based coin-tosser method that beats 95% of traders in the world.

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Whisky, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Badoit

    Badoit

    I think you are overpricing your contribution. You introduced a coin tossing problem with transaction costs, hardly cutting edge stuff.

    You said the method could be improved. Prove it.
     
    #251     Oct 20, 2009
  2. Whisky

    Whisky

    Tell that to the 95% of people reading this thread.

    You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.

    If you can't breakeven. How the hell do you expect to eventually win?.
     
    #252     Oct 20, 2009
  3. Whisky

    Whisky

    Mike and mag have offered some anecdotal back testing proofs. Some others have suggested ways to improve it.

    One way YOU can improve inmediately YOUR results is to stop trading. (95% chance of improvement, at least).

    Now be truthful: How much would you have improved your results by using the method (or not trading) over the last 12 months?. Before answering you must know that you will be required to offer proof unless your statements are self-evident.

    Since I only claim to give coins to a coin-tossing bum, and anybody that has access to coins can do that, I don't need to prove it.
     
    #253     Oct 20, 2009
  4. Badoit

    Badoit

    Other than "tossing a coin will only cost you commissions", you don't really have anything else useful or interesting to say.

    My suggestion is that by using similar management rules, by following inter market themes and reading the financial and economic news, it is possible to ascertain what the appetite for risk is likely to be in the market, and you can then position yourself accordingly. At the end of the day, fundamentals drive markets - ignore them at your peril, IMO.

    Thats it. Even if I do say so myself, it's a fucking good suggestion.
     
    #254     Oct 20, 2009
  5. Whisky

    Whisky

    You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.
     
    #255     Oct 20, 2009
  6. wutang

    wutang

    To be fair, it hasn't been proven that 95% of traders lose, and even if so, why they lose. It could be lack of edge, lack of discipline, or lack of money management. It's not neccesarily that 95% of traders trade systems that don't work. In fact I'd be willing to bet (without proof of course) that more than half of traders fail because of improper risk management.

    That said, I'm enjoying this thread and think the OP is doing ET a service by showing how one should go about creating a trading system.
     
    #256     Oct 20, 2009
  7. Why?

    And why do you seem to think that flipping coins or generating random numbers is any sort starting point for making money from financial markets? Does it aid understanding? Can't see how.

    Do scientists studying physical phenomena start with randomness? I don't think so. They may use statistical tests to quantify the uncertainty in results but that is another matter entirely.

    If one wants to make money, one needs to get on with the task of understanding the non-random aspects of markets and stop obsessing about randomness.

    Van Tharpe should be held to account for some of this nonsense.
     
    #257     Oct 20, 2009
  8. sosueme

    sosueme

    First sensible reply I have read in 44 pages

    sosueme
     
    #258     Oct 20, 2009
  9. Whisky

    Whisky

    Given that a large majority (95%?) of market participants lose MORE than commissions and slippage on average PROVES that flipping coins is a wonderful starting point and very close to breakeven. Not trading is of course, better.

    So...basically everything you just stated is a lie and a belief of yours. Unproven, of course.
     
    #259     Oct 20, 2009
  10. Whisky

    Whisky

    The number of pages depends on your display preferences. Mine is only 14 pages.

    But...a very warm welcome to the thread sosueme.
     
    #260     Oct 20, 2009