Reality based coin-tosser method that beats 95% of traders in the world.

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Whisky, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. You must provide proof that the op is not retarded or I must consider your post without value.

     
    #121     Oct 17, 2009
  2. Seeing as how you're running around ET bragging about your 1 lot C2 system and cherry-picking your successful stock swing trades, it's perfectly fine with me if you consider both the OP and myself to be retards.

    Using the same method outlined in table on binomial distribution probabilities, I would say the percentages of that being true are astronomically low. :D :p









    :)
     
    #122     Oct 17, 2009
  3. Whisky

    Whisky

    Don't spend it all in one lap dance!.

    Only on Elite Trader.

    LMAZO.
     
    #123     Oct 17, 2009
  4. Whisky

    Whisky

    100% of 0 is zero.
     
    #124     Oct 17, 2009
  5. It just occurred to me that I don't, in fact, have any idea what my broker's minimum balance requirements even are. Curious that you do need to know.

    Well, maybe not that curious.

    Now can we get the thread back to where it was going before? I'm interested in seeing where Whiskey and 'Brot are take this...
     
    #125     Oct 17, 2009
  6. Oh, that's right knothead, question another's honesty to attack character instead of sticking to dollars and cents... all because you don't like his numbers. What a pro you must be.
     
    #126     Oct 17, 2009
  7. Why would you want to do that?

    There are pretty good random number generators available:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/random

    In any case, does it really matter if the random "path" is cracked?
     
    #127     Oct 17, 2009

  8. how about STFU, hermit?
     
    #128     Oct 18, 2009
  9. another problem with the coin toss method is the independence of outcomes. say, for instance, after 6 heads in a row, the next outcome has .5p of coming heads again. however, the index outcomes are tightly dependent from each other. this hypothesis has been confirmed empirically and demonstrated scientifically (non stationarity, common trends and cointegration is one of the works pertaining to it).

    dependance in stock index outcomes affects the amount identical outcomes by as much as .01p. in other words when the outcome has been down say 4 times in a row, the chances of an opposite outcome are much higher than in a coin toss. unfortunately, contrary to the above, when the market has been up 4 days in a row the dependance doesn't work the same way. i am not sure why but it might have to do with how volatility is autocorrelated.

    the complexity of modeling an adequate RNG to mimic market behaviour would be challenging.
     
    #129     Oct 18, 2009
  10. Whisky

    Whisky

    I'll clean up the thread later in the week.

    I was waiting to see if anybody else contributed something useful and perfectly objective before picking up the pace.

    I'm going to suggest a self-evident improvement over the original trading coin-tosser method and comment briefly.

    First Modification to coin tosser and Proof:

    1-Lets have two accounts, bull account always net long L contracts and bear account always net short S contracts. L and S can change everyday within a range from 0 to MAX.

    2-Whatever the coin-tosser outcome is the bull account goes long L contracts at 16:15 and the bear account goes short S contracts at 16:15. The exits remain on next day close at 16:15.

    Obviously we don't need the coin tosser services anymore, so we offer him a bath, shave, clothes and we promote him to bucketeer and position manager. At the end of the day he will match sell orders from the bull account with buy orders from the sell account, and also match the new entry orders for both accounts for the next day trade. He will bucket all these orders into a simple buy or sell NET order. He will keep the accounting of both accounts separate and monitor the net position.

    So far we have:

    1-Diminished overall risk over the original method. (In the case of L=S we arrive to the trivial solution, which we know outperforms the original method, as well as 95% of traders in the world).

    2-We diminished somehow the impact of commissions and slippage by bucketing buy and sell orders. (In the case of L=S we have cut the costs to zero for that day).

    3-If we force the L=S trivial solution, then we do not need the coin tosser anymore, and neither an entry algo.

    Basically, in the case of 3-we have one account entering in the direction of the coin-toss and one in the opposite direction, effectively canceling each other and saving commissions. One could argue that this is exactly the same as the trivial solution, and yes it is...unless we start modifying the EXITS.

    So, as food for thought we can start thinking about:

    a-How can we increase our edge by exiting long positions and short positions better than at 16:15 on next day close?. Can we use any new information that becomes available DURING the day?.

    b-How can we create a more intelligent position manager for the bull and bear accounts?. (Notice that as corollary, the difference between L and S becomes a market direction bias indicator, which could go from MAX long to MAX short in position).

    I believe some people may see this better if they think about two games being played simultaneously: The LONG game, and the SHORT game. Like Football perhaps?. Both games can be won everyday in hindsight. Can we bring some of that hindsight to foresight?. Only a relatively small improvement can yield enormous results if it can be compounded over time.

    I'm pretty sure oraclewanker will pop a vein thinking about this. Since he drew first blood with his coin up my ass suggestion, I will decide when I let him go.

    LMAZO.
     
    #130     Oct 18, 2009