Realistic returns expectations of successful day trading

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by helpme_please, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. easymon1

    easymon1

    mr helpme_please

    Understanding the "Expectancy" of your Trading System

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    Understanding the "Expectancy" of your Trading System

     
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    #31     Aug 29, 2019
  2. bbpp

    bbpp

    1/2 point is a great pain. You are cut both on entry and exit, so every trade you lost 1 point already.
     
    #32     Aug 29, 2019
  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    So called gurus like Timothy Sykes or Ross Cameron cannot be making over 500% gains yearly because, if they were, they would not bother teaching students how to trade for a couple of thousands a piece? That is how they make their monies now! If you charge a student $3,000 x 100 students is $3,000,000, they can have even just 25 students and make a decent amount each year before taxes. If you had a trading system able to generate 500% gains yearly, you would not be sharing it but, keep trading it for those huge profits! You will be a billionaire in a short period of time! The best hedge funds with top traders managing the monies make around 20% per year on average and have losing years once, in a while. Think the so called day trading gurus can do better? I highly, doubt it!
     
    #33     Aug 29, 2019
  4. True but that almost always goes with "size" to some degree. (Often when we say "point" we mean percent. But a 1/2 point slip in the ES is only .0166%. of the notional value.) That's what the DOM is revealing at this time. I've seen other times where there were >1000 bid/offered at each price for 10 or more prices on the DOM. In those times, you could do a 1000-2000 lot with virtually zero slip.
     
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    #34     Aug 29, 2019
  5. 20-50% on accounts up to a mil or two is very reasonable and unless you can make at least that you shouldn't even bother with trading and pursue a career with more stability.
     
    #35     Aug 29, 2019
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  6. Not necessarily. It's not about how much you have in the account but how much capital you have overall. If you are willing to recapitalize the account there is nothing wrong with shooting for 500-1000%. Keeping as little in your account as possible is the prudent thing to do. If my stuff can do 100% on 10-15% draws it would behoove me to cut my account in half and shoot for 500%. Nothing like this scales so you will need to wire out constantly in which case recapitalization is a nonissue.
     
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    #36     Aug 29, 2019
  7. Uh, no. What you have in your "trading account" is not relevant. What percentage of your CAPITAL account is what matters. Example.... If my "trading account" goes from $10K to $20K, I've added "100%". Whoopie! But if my CAPITAL is $100K, I've added only 10% to my capital. Nothing wrong with that, but it ain't "whoopie".
     
    #37     Aug 29, 2019
  8. ugh, that's just gibberish. The OP is talking about an account size not capital. Yes, a nuance, i agree.
     
    #38     Aug 29, 2019
  9. Like I said. "Account size" isn't relevant (unless your capital is your trading account). The ONLY thing that matters in trading is the total return on your capital... that and capital preservation, of course.
     
    #39     Aug 29, 2019
  10. gkishot

    gkishot

    Breaking even would be a good start.
     
    #40     Aug 29, 2019