Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AK Forty Seven, Jul 24, 2011.

  1. Max E.

    Max E.

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    Denial, just because you repeat a lie enough times it doesnt make it true.

    First off Obama is not even close to anything that could pass for a right winger, and secondly, the only reason Obama hasnt been able to take the economy completely off a cliff is because republicans managed to block a couple of the other things the dems have attempted like cap and trade.

    Secondly, the media, and left wing continue to worship Obama, infact you are the one who is always posting your stupid polls to prove that point.

    Many liberals actually convinced themselves that big government and extra regulations is the path to prosperity, because clinton fluked out and the tech bubble in the 90's just happened to come about on his watch while he was raising taxes. Liberals are currently getting a hard dose of economic reality, and what a failure big government, and keynesian economics is, and they dont like it, and thus are trying to make excuses for Obama, by saying something as assinine as "Well the reason Obama is failing is because he didnt go far enough to the left," even though we are hearing countless number of businesses come out and tell us how badly Obama's policies are screwing them, and that his policies are the direct reason why they are either not hiring, or actually laying people off.
     
    #11     Jul 25, 2011
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Is Obama a "leftist"?

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/25/zelizer.obama.gop.center/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    "Editor's note: Julian E. Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of "Jimmy Carter," published by Times Books, and editor of a book assessing former President George W. Bush's administration, published by Princeton University Press.

    Princeton, New Jersey (CNN) -- President Barack Obama has always been a lot more like President Bill Clinton than many of his supporters like to think.

    Even though some Republicans have attempted to paint the president as a left-wing radical who is intent on bringing socialism to American shores, the reality is that Obama is very much a product of the 1980s and '90s era of liberalism, when numerous Democrats shifted to the center in an effort to stay relevant.

    On economic policies, Obama has continually surrounded himself with moderate, market-oriented liberals such as Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner. The president has continued President George W. Bush's policies that shored up Wall Street following the financial meltdown of 2008.

    Notwithstanding Republican rhetoric, his health care plan, which resembled then-Gov. Mitt Romney's program in Massachusetts, was far less government-centered than what previous Democrats had proposed. Indeed, in almost every area of domestic policy, Obama has stuck close to the center of the Democratic Party.

    The problem for Democrats is that Republicans have been far more successful at playing the message wars. They have successfully depicted Obama, regardless of what he does or says, as far left.

    Even as liberals in his party constantly complain that he has abandoned many of his 2008 campaign promises, the Republicans have moved forward with their attacks. Democrats have been unable to respond effectively.

    But the debt reduction battle could be a political turning point that has major implications for the 2012 election. It might resemble the moment when Clinton focused on deficit reduction and welfare reform in 1995 and 1996, soon after Republicans took control of Congress, and took those issues off the table, thereby diminishing the distance between him and the GOP in the minds of voters.

    During this year's debate over deficit reduction and the debt ceiling, Obama came out with a "Grand Bargain," a debt-cutting package that was far more dramatic than what was being discussed.

    The move put him in an excellent position politically. He staked out a position as a deficit hawk, yet he did so through a deal he knew that Republicans were unlikely to accept. By calling for grander debt reduction, but with a plan that included revenue increases, he squeezed House Speaker John Boehner, who has been under intense pressure from the right.

    Indeed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and the Tea Party Republicans said no, insisting they would not accept any deal that included any type of tax increase whatsoever. Then, last week, the "Gang of Six" in the Senate came forward with another compromise.

    As House Republicans hemmed and hawed, Obama immediately took the opportunity to enthusiastically embrace the plan as the basis for a resolution to this crisis. And on Friday, Boehner walked out of the debt talks.

    If a deal comes together, Obama will be able to claim that he was an enthusiastic partner, one who helped shape the parameters of the debate. If a deal does not come through, he can blame the Republicans for refusing to compromise.

    Republican presidential candidates should be nervous about the polls. Public opinion shows that the public doesn't trust either side to resolve the deficit, but they trust the Republicans far less than they do the Democrats.

    According to a Wall Street Journal poll, the public supports Obama's grand bargain by a 22% margin. ABC News and The Washington Post reported that 77% believed that the GOP has not done enough to compromise on the deficit, compared with 58% saying the same about Obama. According to CBS News, 71% of those surveyed were unhappy with how the Republicans were handling the negotiations, compared with a 48% disapproval rate for Obama.

    Many Senate Republicans, particularly those who were around in the Clinton years, sense the political danger.

    Sen. John McCain told Politico, referring to the House Republicans, "I believe that they're convinced that they're carrying out the mandate (of the 2010 election). The polling data indicates Americans don't want the government shut down. ... I hope (House Republicans) would be instructed by what happened in 1995."

    Obama's strategy in this struggle is not without potential costs of its own, both political and economic. Just as Clinton angered many liberals with welfare reform in 1996, there are many Democrats who believe it is a mistake for Obama to embrace deficit reduction when the economy is in such poor shape. They feel that taking money out of the economy will only make conditions worse and leave unemployment rates at their current levels.

    In fact, this is one of the biggest risks for the president. Something that seems like a politically smart move now could come back to haunt him if the spending cuts make it through Congress. If liberal economists such as Paul Krugman are correct and the debt reduction package stifles economic recovery, Obama will continue to give Republicans the most potent issue of 2012: economic malaise.

    But for now, the politics of the debt reduction debate has turned on the Republicans -- and certainly on those thinking about running for the presidency in 2012.

    Obama has aggressively moved forward on an issue that has caused concern for many moderate and independent voters. By allying with some Senate Republicans, he has made the House GOP look like extremists who are more interested in tying up Congress than in reducing the deficit.

    It took some time for Republicans to recover from Clinton's move to the center in 1995 and 1996. The GOP might very well be replaying this scenario.

    Certainly, one Republican presidential candidate who is aware of this risk is Newt Gingrich, who lived through those Clinton years and understands the high costs of allowing your opponent to receive credit for the issue that you once used against him.

    In the end, politics is as important as principle when it comes to governance. It is not enough for a politician to stand on a soapbox and champion his ideals. Politicians need to be able to cut deals. This is not because politics is corrupt but because politics is about compromise.

    If House Republicans are unable to come to the table and reach an agreement, even when they are being told yes, they might end up doing more than any Democrat has done to bolster Obama's standing as president."
     
    #12     Jul 25, 2011
  3. Reagan was incompetent and severely damaged future generations. The following is an example of his policies as Governor of California.

    http://www.newfoundations.com/Clabaugh/CuttingEdge/Reagan.html

    "What is Mr. Reagan's educational legacy? Let's begin with a look at his record as governor of California. While running for the governorship, Mr. Reagan shrewdly made the most of disorder on University of California campuses. For instance, he demanded a legislative investigation of alleged Communism and sexual misconduct at the University of California at Berkeley. He insisted on public hearings, claiming "a small minority of hippies, radicals and filthy speech advocates" had caused disorder and that they should "be taken by the scruff of the neck and thrown off campus -- permanently",[1]

    Once elected, Mr. Reagan set the educational tone for his administration by:

    a. calling for an end to free tuition for state college and university students,

    b. annually demanding 20% across-the-board cuts in higher education funding,[2]

    c. repeatedly slashing construction funds for state campuses

    d. engineering the firing of Clark Kerr, the popular President of the University of California, and

    e. declaring that the state "should not subsidize intellectual curiosity,[3]""
     
    #13     Jul 25, 2011



  4. Iraq-Bush policy.Bush signed the deal to withdraw troops before Obama took office

    Afghanistan-expanded former Bush policy

    Homeland security-expanded former Bush policy


    Stimulus-following Bush who had 2 stimulus packages

    Bail outs-continued Bush's polices of bail outs

    Taxes and tax cuts-extended Bush tax cuts,Obama's stimulus package contained 275 billion in tax cuts or credits

    Obama care-Obama care was the Republican Congress health plan in the 90's and later Passed by Mitt Romney in Mass

    Deficits-unlike Carter and Clinton who had balanced or near balanced budgets,Obama has record breaking budget deficits like Reagan and Bush


    Amnesty-attempted amnesty for millions of illegals like Reagan did and Bush and McCain tried to do


    Gitmo-allowed Bush's torture prison to stay open
     
    #14     Jul 25, 2011


  5. Back on track,Reagan who is considered a god by todays republicans raised the debt limit 18 times and he is a god.Obama has raised it 3 times and going on 4 yet he is ruining the country by raising the debt limit :confused: :confused: :confused:
     
    #15     Jul 25, 2011
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    And Clinton did too.
     
    #16     Jul 25, 2011
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    And YOU voted for this guy. Makes you look like a kool-aid drinking sucker huh?
    :D
     
    #17     Jul 25, 2011

  8. The other option was much worse :(
     
    #18     Jul 25, 2011
  9. Max E.

    Max E.

    Thx for making it clear that Bush was a far left democrat, you lefties have sure managed to hang some dog shit for presidents on us, 2 times in a row now.

     
    #19     Jul 25, 2011
  10. Eight

    Eight

    Reagan raised the debt ceiling repeatedly and he oversaw the deregulation that led to the S&L bailouts. The recent economic debacle is S&L bailouts on steroids, and good ones at that...

    Democrats have their supporters on cradle to grave welfare and Republicans engineer these crises and change the tax codes radically.. in the 90's Republicans fixed it so that 40+ million households paid no Federal Income Tax... that guarantees that they will vote for big spending Democrats [or even Big Spending Republicans... ]

    Who's on First???

    What a Frankenstein's Monster American politics is, it's nightmarish.. I do some stupid things from time to time but voting is not one of them. Why risk getting jury duty?
     
    #20     Jul 25, 2011