Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Jul 13, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How about we only open schools for in-student learning when it is safe to do so. There is a very successful model --- nearly all the countries in Europe from this fall who followed clearly defined safety measures. Of course the first hurdle for the U.S. is that the local positive test rate (7 day average) must be below 5% --- nearly everywhere in the U.S. this positive test rate is above 5% thus it is not safe to open schools. Get your local community spread down and enact proper safety measures in your schools then your kids can go to school with minimum COVID risk.

    The data from the EU clearly demonstrates how to safely open schools without having large number of COVID cases among the staff and students -- unlike the U.S. which tried to open schools without decent safety precautions and endured 10s of thousands of cases.

    Trying to judge school openings strictly on the number of students who died is completely idiotic. There are many students enduring long COVID. We shut schools in the U.S. for polio which did not kill many students -- they merely enduring long term effects. Ignoring the staff members hospitalized and dying from COVID while parroting the "prove they got it at school" right-wing talking point is absurd.
     
    #611     Feb 9, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao


    How about you show us that it isn't safe to do so? You know, with data.
     
    #612     Feb 9, 2021
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Is your local COVID positive testing rate above 5% (7 day average) -- then it is not safe to open your schools. This is a very clear starting point with piles of EU data to back it.
     
    #613     Feb 9, 2021
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Really? Since you state this so clearly, you should be able to show me cases and fatalities linked to school reopening in places above the 5% and below. there should be a clear delineation, right?
     
    #614     Feb 9, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Well in the EU when the rate is above 5% then schools are closed. So there is clear delineation of proper policy.
     
    #615     Feb 9, 2021
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Ah, well if the EU does it, it must be a correct action. After all, the EU never makes bad policy.

    What a good little soldier you are.

    When you have any data - any data at all that shows ANYTHING to support your position, you come on back and show us, ok? Now run along, you're going to be late to your Party meeting.
     
    #616     Feb 9, 2021
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #617     Feb 9, 2021

  8. You only define safe as whether or not a kid or teacher will die from it so that creates a very narrow definition for you. Safe is not only about death.
     
    #618     Feb 9, 2021
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  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Help me redefine the safety. Show me the risk - with data. If you can't, then all you have is anecdotes.

    And I'm not about to lock down my child and impact them psychologically or educationally because of your anecdotes (or anyone else's).
     
    #619     Feb 9, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The CDC has defined safety and risks for schools.... go read.

    The complete CDC chart showing safety risk at different levels of COVID community indicators

    CDC indicators and thresholds for risk of introduction and transmission of COVID-19 in schools
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/indicators.html#thresholds

    Statements from CDC officials indicate that your local schools should only be open if they meet "Lower risk of transmission in schools".
     
    #620     Feb 9, 2021