Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Jul 13, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How many kids have "long COVID" issues?

    How many school Staff members have died or have "long COVID"?

    Let's outline once again what the largest study of kids in the schools in the U.S. states...

    The largest study of schools in the U.S. with statistics and data from more than 6000 school districts for the fall semester came to the conclusion that schools should not be open.

    Should Schools Stay Open? Not So Fast.

    Data on coronavirus cases in U.S. schools suggests in-person classes contribute to the virus’ spread.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...why-schools-might-not-be-safe-during-covid-19
     
    #491     Jan 27, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So you can't (won't) answer the question I asked. As I suspected.

    So how many kids have "long COVID"? Answer that one, since you posed it.

    Also, please tell us the answer to your other question of "how many school staff members have died or have "long COVID" - AND got covid in school?

    As always, please provide your source data.
     
    #492     Jan 27, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    When data is available I will be happy to provide it on long COVID impact on children and COVID impact on school staff members.

    I will note that when schools systems cannot even staff there buildings because over 20% of the staff is out with COVID just mere weeks being opened and then the schools system cannot even find subs when offering $250 per day -- then the impact on staff is obviously significant.

    Here is the latest infomation on children and COVID in the U.S. - https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2...hildren-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
     
    #493     Jan 27, 2021
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So you can't answer the questions you posed?

    So how many kids died of COVID? You can answer this.
     
    #494     Jan 27, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Go read the data link and figure it out for yourself.

    Obviously you cannot provide an answer for:

    How many kids have "long COVID" issues?

    How many school Staff members have died or have "long COVID"?

    Both of these are obviously significant issues.
     
    #495     Jan 27, 2021
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    No, I can't answer them. But neither can you.

    Since you claim these questions matter, you should show us how they matter. But you can't. Kids having "Long COVID" is a hypothetical. You can post articles all you want about it. But until you can provide data on it, I call horseshit.

    The fact is - and again, this is a FACT - kids don't really die from COVID. A tiny, tiny percentage of children who get COVID and almost always have additional pathologies actually die from the disease. And this miniscule percentage is no worse than the Flu or garden variety pneumonia. So there's no reason to say kids can't go to school.

    Now, you might have a case if you could show definitively that staff got sick and died more at schools than they did, say, going to Home Depot. But you can't. You have no data to support your hypothesis. Instead, you want to push the same narrative of kids not going to school because of some hypothetical. You are wrong, you have BEEN wrong and you will always BE wrong.

    You're a sad contributor to the failures that will haunt our children for ages.
     
    #496     Jan 27, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As I have stated before.... if it can be done safely following federal CDC guidelines it would be great to have children back in school. The sad reality is that there are no federal guidelines and each school district has followed their own standards. Some school systems like the high school in Georgia (seen in all the pictures) followed no safety standards at all because their rural school boards believed that "COVID was fake".

    Let's get to an obvious fact - you cannot keep schools open if you don't have staff to man them. We have schools systems all over the country that had to close (including ALL of our local districts here) because over 20% of the teachers were out with COVID and no one in the community will step in and sub for them. It does not matter where these teachers got COVID -- if they test positive then they are not in school. This also highlights to importance of keeping the community prevalence level low to successfully keep schools open.

    At this point more school districts appear to be citing a lack of staff over students spreading infections to other students as the reason the schools are closed.

    Until teachers get vaccinated and/or they open schools following strict safety protocols --- the result will be the same, teachers will not feel safe and the COVID positive test levels in staff will be high. This might be a good time to mention the large number of teachers who simply quit their jobs and are unwilling to come into schools that don't value their safety.
     
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    #497     Jan 27, 2021
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Just curious, but the same CDC who you just criticized for saying they didn't do a broad enough study before making a statement like they did?

    Of course you can't. But you've not shown that this is a problem. Sure, there are cases where people have been forced to quarantine, and that has made schools lock up - but if the danger isn't any greater than Home Depot, then choosing to lock down is as stupid as choosing to stay closed. My son has been going to school since late August. The school has been open the entire year. When a case causes some folks to quarantine,. they do and life goes on. The school stays open.

    Right, vaccinated. I remember when they used to say that. Now they're saying that vaccinations don't stop transmission, or offer full protection. That'll be the next narrative of total horseshit you folks push.
     
    #498     Jan 27, 2021
  9. In my area it is the teachers pushing for more delays in reopening.... i am getting tired of it. Some advocating we go to September 2021 before reopening...

    My son is about to finish his current HS basketball season. They played with masks in front of no crowds (we watched on live streaming). They played all 12 games so far with no issue and 2 more this week to finish the season. 1 or 2 schools paused for a week due to a possible positive case but overall almost everyone got their games in and kids did fine in masks (though half of them were letting them drop below their nose..oh well).

    He was supposed to start virtual yesterday but with small uptick in cases and vaccines rolling out they delayed it until beginning of March.

    Basketball showed that it can be done to an extent and hybrid means half the school in the building at one time and lots of precautions a la CDC.

    My friend and wife got it in december and still feel shitty a month later and said you dont want this, hunker down and stay away from people. I get his feelings and understand it. From his point of view it makes sense after what he went through but I think we are at a point to move forward.
     
    #499     Jan 27, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    If a county takes its own path and vaccinates teachers to get their schools open --- then they land up in trouble...

    Rural medical center suspended from vaccination program after inoculating school district staff
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/us/georgia-vaccine-center-suspended-school-district-staff/index.html

    A rural Georgia medical center has been suspended from the state's Covid-19 vaccination program for six months after the facility administered vaccines to staff of the local school district.

    The Georgia Department of Public Health was notified Tuesday that the Medical Center of Elberton had been vaccinating Elbert County School District staff members who were outside of the Phase 1A+ category of people eligible for the vaccine. After an investigation, the DPH confirmed the information and suspended the medical center, a release from the department said.

    CNN has reached out to the Medical Center of Elberton for comment.

    Elbert County School Superintendent Jon Jarvis said many of the district's more than 500 employees have been eager to receive the vaccine.

    "It's hard to wear a mask when you're trying to teach students sounds," Superintendent Jarvis told CNN affiliate WXIA. "The vaccination for teachers, bus drivers, school nutrition workers ... they should be considered in the first group in my opinion."

    Georgia is currently administering vaccines to people in the 1A+ group, which includes healthcare workers, long-term care facility staff and residents, adults over 65 and their caregivers as well as first responders, according to the Georgia DPH.

    During the suspension, the rural medical center won't be eligible for Covid-19 vaccine shipments, though it will be allowed to use the remaining vaccine inventory for second-dose administration to patients "as applicable," DPH said.

    "It is critical that DPH maintains the highest standards for vaccine accountability to ensure all federal and state requirements are adhered to by all parties, and vaccine is administered efficiently and equitably," the DPH said.

    As variants threaten another surge and schools hope to safely send students back into the classroom full time, officials and residents have been calling for more vaccine doses. But health experts across the country say that the distribution of the vaccine is slow, and it will be months longer until all Americans can be inoculated.
     
    #500     Jan 28, 2021