http://www.auschwitz.dk/sobibor/franzstangl.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20040817042014/ukar.org/sereny02.html Stangl's stuff is so blantantly idiotic it appears he's one of those Germans who intentionally put forward super absurdities in order to stigmatize the credibility of the story. I pulled this from the IHR and it's good stuff. When hes was asked during his later trial how many people could be murdered in one day, Franz Stangl, attesting to his days as commandant of Treblinka, answered: "Regarding the question of the optimum amount of people gassed in one day, I can state: according to my estimation a transport of thirty freight cars with 3,000 people was liquidated in three hours. When the work lasted for about fourteen hours, 12,000 to 15,000 people were annihilated. There were many days that the work lasted from the early morning until the evening . ." We can have it from this same Franz Stangl for when he came to be commandant at Sobibor they exterminated up to 15,000 a day there also.(We can have for Belzec up to 10,000 a day.) Therefore, with Stangl's testimony alone we have it some 30,000 Jews a day were exterminated at just two camps. Then we have from Stangl, ala Sereny's book him attesting to the dimensions of the cremation grill "roaster" at Sobibor and up to 3,000 people at a time being cremated on the thing. Putting all the arithmetic together concerning the length and width and height off the ground we would have Stangl attesting to a Holocaust body being cremated with a piece of wood about the size of a carton of cigarettes. Note that the alleged mass grave at Treblinka of an alleged 900,000 Jews has never been shown to exist, never. Therefore, judeo supremacist Sereny's claims about Stangl are laughable.
My god. What a fucking moron. I've been to Treblinka, junior. The Nazis destroyed it. Treblinka was razed to the ground. The murderers didn't want anything to be found there. Klar? Oder nicht? Everything you say is beside the point, junior. What we do know for certain is that inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto and Jews from towns in the neighborhood of Warsaw were deported to Treblinka, starting in 1941. About 300,000 Jews were deported from Warsaw to Treblinka II between July and September 1942, alone. What do you think happened to those 300,000 Jews, Sherlock? Here's a hint: Almost no Jews survived at Treblinka, as opposed to at Auschwitz, where life, by comparison, was a veritable piece of cake. Take your Lueger, neo-Nazi boy, shove the business end of it up your ass and pull the trigger. Make sure it's loaded, and make sure the safety is off. It will be better for you than attempting to engage in intellectual arguments for which you are simply not prepared.
At Treblinka the Germans supposedly: - Cremated almost a million bodies on a highly inefficient form of outdoor pyres, while crematory ovens were readily available (the SS having purchased too many ovens). - camoflaged the camp using tree branches! (while instead a high wall could have been erected around the camp using inmates as labor force). - gassed Jews using either a captured soviet tank engine or even a submarine engine, for which spare parts would be very hard to come by, while they instead could have bought an efficient and easy german made engine, or they could have used Zyklon B, or wood gas engines. - brought in a nobody to supervise the cremation process These points alone show that the Treblinka Holocaust story is a piece of unbelievable, typical jewish nonsense, based on bizarre and often self contradicting figments of imaginations. Name one person murdered by Hitler, just one. Do you have an autopsy report? Look in any book on the Holocaust and read the footnotes. It's all Communist propaganda. Reitlinger even takes the Kharkhov show trial seriously. The Pestilential Miasma of the World - as filthy and immoral as they are, were not "genocided" by the Fuhrer. The British invented concentration camps and began the mass bombing of civilians, the Poles built the first concentration camps in Europe, and those "gas chambers" everybody keeps talking about never even existed, except for lice invested clothing - of course. Hitler made dozens of disarmament proposals which were ignored, and 20 peace proposals during the first year of the war, which were ignored. He even ignored the British-French declarations of war for 6 months. Remember, there are hundreds of thousands of people who have claimed they were abducted by aliens in UFO's. A lot more of them than nonsensical 'gas chamber witnesses'. The abductees could say: DPT can't handle the truth that there was no '6,000,000', there were no 'gas chambers', and he can't prove otherwise. Revisionists have shot down every single attempt, with ease.
DPT is a Zionist Jew who favours propaganda & superstition over logic, rational thought & scientific research - A feverent Believer in the impossible as alleged "Holocaust". according to the logic of "DPT" a person quoting, for instance, J. Streicher is "anti-Semitic", even though it is nothing other than a matter of theoretical literacy. He has continually made the outrageous claim that I am a "neo-Nazi", "anti-Semite" and many other equally absurd claims. Name calling is a game two can play, and it is a game that Jews are notoriously good at. So what am I? Well, I am a Holocaust Revisionist and as such I don't belong to a club, or an organization, we are individualistic to an uncommon degree and we are everywhere on earth. We may differ in a million ways, but we agree that truth and decency must and will prevail.
WTF, Elite Trader?.... This site is becoming 'Elite Nazi'. :eek: 'Publisher'- Last month you were a hard core collectivist. Now you declare yourself the exact opposite (an individualist). Not to mention that there's no such thing as an 'individualist racist'- That would be a most absurd oxymoron. You are very confused. Seek help.
`Publisher' wrote, as usual, nothing of any consequence. But he might as well have written the following: Fix your eyes carefully on my left hand. You see the 6,000,000 Jews I'm grasping there? Observe carefully: see their filthy hooked noses, their hands dripping with the blood of virgins, their pockets stuffed with money. I will make them all disappear. Poof! Up in smoke, they went. The sommersi. Gone, as if they never were. However, back in the real world, the job was a hell of a lot more difficult to carry out, and despite the efforts made to erase them, the murderers left many traces. The traces are almost everywhere, including at Treblinka II. I will have nothing further to say about or to `Publisher.' What `Publisher' is, he has now made abundantly clear, all by himself. My advice to him stands. For anyone who may be interested in facts, as opposed to derivative neo-Nazi apologetics, the following site gives a reasonably good introduction to Treblinka, including photocopies of many original documents, as well as maps and drawings done by inmates as well as guards. http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/treblinka.html Below, I will quote at some length some significant passages from this site for the convenience of any readers who may honestly have some question in their minds regarding the phony issues generally raised by Holocaust deniers of `Publishers' ilk. For the squeamish, be forewarned: this is not light bedtime reading. On the testimony of Rudolph Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz, Hitler orders the solution of the Jewish question in Europe sometime before June 1941. Hoess is summoned to Berlin in June for a meeting with SS-Reichsfuerher Heinrich Himmler: I was ordered to see HIMMLER in BERLIN in 1941 and he told me, approximately, the following:- The Fuehrer ordered the solution of the Jewish question in Europe. A few so called Vernichtungslager are existing in the general government (BELZEK near RAVA RUSKA Ost Polen, Tublinka near MALINA on the river Bug, and WOLZEK near Lublin). These camps come under the Einsatzkommando of the Sicherheitspolizei under the leadership of high SIPO officers. These camps were not very efficient and could not be enlarged. ... Hoess visits Treblinka, in the spring of 1942, to observe the conditions and methods being used there. I visited the camp TREBLINKA in Spring 1942 to inform myself about the conditions. The following method was used in the process of extermination. Small chambers were used equipped with pipes to induce the exhaust gas from car engines. This method was unreliable as the engines, coming from old captured transport vehicles and tanks, very often failed to work. Because of that the intakest could not be dealt with according to the plan, which meant to clear the Warsaw Ghetto. According to the Camp commandant 80,000 people have been gassed in the course of half a year. Himmler declares that Hoess should develop Auschwitz for the purposes of mass exterminations: For the above mentioned reasons HIMMLER declared the only possibility to extend this camp, in accordance with the plan, was AUSCHWITZ, as it was a railway junction of four lines and, not being thickly populated, the camp area could be cut off completely. This is the reason why he decided to do the mass exterminations at AUSCHWITZ, and I had to make the preparations at once. Construction of Treblinka II, begins on June 19, 1942: SS-Unterstuermfuehrer Dr.med.Irmfried Eberl Warsaw, the 19.6.1942 To the Commissioner of the Jewish Quarter For the Camp Treblinka we still need: 10 m 1/4 Zoll (Copper Pipe) 5-10 Kg (Welding Wire) 2 kg (Brass Wire for Hard Soldering) 80 m 1 Zoll, 3/4 Zoll, 1/2 Zoll (Iron pipe) Iron T-pieces Iron Elbow pieces Connections Watertight Light Armatures with Socket, lockable with screen Taps Light Bulbs Outdoor Wire Outdoor Clips Heil Hitler! Imfried Eberl.
A separate railway branch to Treblinka II is completed on or about June 15, 1942. The witness Lucjan Puchala recalled: "Initially we did not know the purpose of building the branch track, and it was only at the end of the job that I found out from the conversations among Germans that the track was to lead to a camp for Jews. The work took 2 weeks, and it was completed on 15 June 1942. Parallel to the construction of the track, earthworks continued. The SS men and Ukrainians supervising the work killed a few dozen people every day. So that when I looked from the place where I worked to the place where the Jews worked, the field was covered with corpses. The imported workers were used to dig deep ditches and to build various barracks. In particular, I know that a building was built of bricks and concrete, which as I learned later, contained people -- extermination chambers." On the order of 1,000 Jewish inmates carried out the manual construction labor and were also forced to take part in work related to the smaller scale exterminations that were already taking place. Trains begin running from the region of Warsaw to Treblinka in July of 1942. Treblinka stationmaster Franciszek Zabecki tells us of the surreal orgies of violence that took place in the station, when the transports of doomed Jews from the Ghetto began in earnest. First some background regarding how Zabecki was able to preserve documentation regarding the traffic of transports to Treblinka, and the lengths that the Nazis went to, in order to try to cover up the mass murders. On 6 August 1944, when the front was very close to Treblinka and the railway station was already closed to traffic and even to railway workers, Franciszek Zabecki, knowing that the station building would be destroyed, smuggled out of there some of the railway documentation concerning the traffic of transports to the death camp. A few minutes later, when Zabecki was in the surrounding fields, the building of the railway station was destroyed by the Germans. Several days later, neighbouring villages around Treblinka were burned by the Wehrmacht and the local population were forced to escape to a different region. On 16 August 1944, Treblinka was liberated by the Soviets. In September 1944, Zabecki went back to his work at the railway station in Treblinka. In autumn 1945 the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes from Warsaw organized an investigation in Treblinka. The investigators were under the supervision of Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz, a famous Polish judge and a specialist concerning Nazi crimes in Poland (for example, he was the supervisor of the investigation into KZ Majdanek). During an interview conducted by Lukaszkiewicz, Zabecki decided to give to the judge the originals of the documents which he had taken from the Treblinka station. Shortly after the war the original documentation was deposited at the Siedlce court and copies were taken to the Main Commission Office in Warsaw, where they remain to this day. A sample schedule for the train that ran regularly, Warsaw to Treblinka carrying `resettlers,' and came back empty: http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigschedule.jpg Excerpts of Zabecki's testimony regarding events in the Treblinka station. http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html The first inkling we had that something more was being planned in Treblinka was in May 1942, when some SS men arrived with a man called Ernst Grauss who - we found out from the German railway workers - was the chief surveyor at the German District HQ." Zabecki recorded: "They spent the day looking around and the very next day all fit male Jews in the neighbourhood - about a hundred of them - were brought in and started work on clearing the land. At the same time they shipped in a first lot of Ukrainian guards." Rumours abounded: "It was said that it was to be another labour camp, a camp for Jews who would work on damming the River Bug, a military installation, a staging or control area for a new secret military weapon. And finally, German railway workers said it was going to be an extermination camp. But nobody believed them - except me." On 22 July 1942 he recalled receiving a telegram stating that "the running of a shuttle service from Warsaw to Treblinka with settlers" was to commence. The trains would be made up of sixty covered goods wagons; after unloading the trains were to be sent back to Warsaw. "Our astonishment was immense," Zabecki commented. "We wondered what sort of settlers they were, where they were going to live and what they were going to do? We connected this news with the mysterious building in the forest."
Zabecki continued: "The first train to arrive on 23 July 1942 made its presence known from a long way off, not only by the rumble of the wheels on the bridge over the River Bug, but by the frequent shots from the rifles and automatic weapons of the train guards." As had been advised, "the train was made up of sixty covered wagons, crammed with people. There were old people, young people, men, women, children and infants in quilts. The doors of the wagons were bolted, the air gaps had a grating of barbed wire. Several SS men, with automatic weapons ready to shoot, stood on the foot-boards of the wagons on both sides of the trains and even lay on the roofs. It was a hot day; people in the wagons were fainting. The SS guards with rolled-up sleeves looked like butchers, who after murdering their victims washed their blood-stained hands and got ready for more killing. Without a word, we understood the tragedy, since 'settling' people coming to work would not have required such a strict guard, whereas these people were being transported like dangerous criminals. After the transport arrived, some fiendish spirit got into the SS men; they drew their pistols, put them away, and took them out again, as if they wanted to shoot and kill straight away; they approached the wagons, silencing those who were shrieking and wailing, and again they swore and screamed. Shouting 'Tempo! Schnell', and 'At the double quickly!' to the German railwaymen who had come from Sokolow Podlaski, they went off to the camp, to take over their victims there 'properly'. On the wagons we could see chalk marks giving the number of people in the wagon, viz: 120, 150, 180 and 200 people. We worked out later that the total number of people in the train must have been about eight to ten thousand. The 'settlers' were strangely huddled together in the wagons. All of them had to stand, without sufficient air and without access to toilet facilities. It was like travelling in hot ovens. The high temperature, lack of air, and the hot weather created conditions that not even healthy, young, strong organisms could stand. Moans, shouts, weeping, calls for water or for a doctor issued from the wagons. And protests: 'How can people be treated so inhumanely? When will they let us leave the wagons altogether?' Through some air gaps terrified people looked out, asking hopefully: 'How far is it to the agricultural estates where weâre going to work?' Twenty wagons were uncoupled from the train, and a shunting engine began to push them along the spur-line into the camp. A short while later it returned empty. This procedure was repeated twice more, until all sixty wagons had been shunted into the camp, and out again. Empty they returned to Warsaw for more 'settlers'." Thereafter, trains arrived every day. Within two weeks people began to try to escape, sometimes as many as one hundred out of one transport. At least three times whole cars arrived empty and the guards were executed. "You must imagine what it was like living here," Zabecki noted. "Every day, as of the early morning, these hours of horror when the trains arrived, and all the time - after the very first days - this odour, this dark foggy cloud that hung over us, that covered the sky in that hot and beautiful summer, even on the most brilliant days - not a rain-cloud promising relief from the heat, but an almost sulphuric darkness bringing with it this pestilential smell." "I saw a policeman catch two young Jewish boys. He did not shut them in a wagon, since he was afraid to open the door in case others escaped. I was on the platform, letting a military transport go through. I asked him to let them go. The assassin did not even budge. He ordered the bigger boy to sit down on the ground and take the smaller one on his knee, then he shot them both with one bullet. Turning to me, he said: 'Youâre lucky, that was the last bullet'. Round the huge stomach of the murderer there was a belt with a clasp on which I could see the inscription, 'God with us'." "... promised a Jewess that he would let her and her child go if she put a large bribe in his hand. The Jewess gave the Ukrainian the money and her four year old child through the air gap, and afterwards with the Ukrainianâs help, she also got out of the wagon through the air gap. The Jewess walked away from the train, holding her child by the hand; as soon as she walked down the railway embankment the Ukrainian shot her. The mother rolled down into a field, pulling the child after her. The child clutched the motherâs neck. Jews looking out of the wagons called out and yelled, and the child turned back up the embankment again and under the wagons to the other side of the train. Another Ukrainian killed the child with one blow of a rifle butt on its head." "One mother threw a small child wrapped up in a pillow from the wagon, shouting: 'Take it, thatâs some money to look after it.' In no time an SS man ran up, unwrapped the pillow, seized the child by its feet and smashed its head against a wheel of the wagon. This took place in full view of the mother, who was howling with pain." A fourth incident involved Willi Klinzmann, from Wuppertal, one of the two German railwaymen who supervised the shunting work at the station: "There was an SS man from the camp in Klinzmannâs flat. A frightened, battered Jewess who had managed to get out of a wagon came into the station building. She probably thought she would be safe here. Crossing the threshold of the dark corridor close by the door of the German railwaymenâs quarters, she uttered a loud groan and a sigh. Willi rushed out into the corridor, and seeing the woman he shouted: 'Bist du Jüdin?' ('Are you a Jewess?'). The SS man rushed out after Willi. The frightened Jewess exclaimed: 'Ach mein Gott!' ('Oh My God!'), escaped to the waiting room next to the traffic supervisorâs office, and fell down exhausted near the wall. Both the Germans grabbed the woman lying there. They wanted her to get up and go out with them. The Jewess lay motionless. It was already late evening. As I went out to see to a military transport passing through the station, I shone my lamp on the woman lying there. I noticed she was pregnant, and in the last months of pregnancy at that. The Jewess did not react to the Germanâs calls uttering groans as if in labour. Then Klinzmann and the SS man from the camp began to take turns at kicking the Jewess at random and laughing. After dispatching the train, I had to go into the office again through the waiting room, but I could not do it. In the waiting-room a human being, helpless, defenceless, - a sick, pregnant woman - had been murdered. The impact from the hobnailed boots was so relentless that one of the Germans, aiming at her head, had hit too high, right into the wall. I had to go into the office and pass close to the murderers, since the departure of a train to Wolka Okraglik had to be attended to. My entrance made the criminals stop. In their frenzy they had forgotten where they were, and somebody plucked up courage to break in and stop them in their duty of liquidating 'an enemy of Hitlerism'. They reached for their pistols. Willi drunk, mumbled 'Fahrdienstleiter' (Traffic Supervisor). I closed the door behind me. The butchers renewed the kicking. The Jewess was no longer groaning. She was no longer alive."
On September 1, Zabecki reported observing the following: "One of the SS men who had arrived at the station that day - he was Kurt Franz, deputy commandant of the camp - came out with his dog along the road. The dog, scenting something, pulled the SS man after it into the thicket. A Jewess was lying there with a baby; probably she was already dead. The baby, a few months old, was crying and nestling against its motherâs bosom. The dog let off the lead, tracked them down, but at a certain distance it crouched on the ground. It looked as if it was getting ready to jump, to bite them and tear them to pieces. However, after a time it began to cringe and whimper dolefully, and approached the people lying on the ground; crouching it licked the baby on its hands, face and head. The SS man came up to the scene with his gun in his hand. He sensed the dogâs weakness. The dog began to wag its tail, turning its head towards the boots of the SS man. The German swore violently and flogged the dog with his stick. The dog looked up and fled. Several times the German kicked the dead woman, and then began to kick the baby and trample on its head. Later he walked through the bushes, whistling for his dog. The dog did not seem to hear, although it was not far away; it ran through the bushes whimpering softly; it appeared to be looking for the people. After a time the SS man came out on to the road, and the dog ran up to its master. The German then began to beat it mercilessly with a whip. The dog howled, barked, even jumped up to the Germanâs chest as if it were rabid, but the blows with the whip got the better of it. On the masters command it lay down. The German went a few paces away, and ordered the dog to stand. The dog obeyed the order perfectly. It carefully licked the boots, undoubtedly spattered with the babyâs blood, under its muzzle. Satisfied the SS man began to shoot and set the dog on other Jews who were still escaping from the wagons standing in the station." According to Zabecki, the Lithuanian guards were worse even than the Ukrainians: "They really were sadists; they used to shoot at people, blind, through the windows of the cars, when they begged for doctors, water and to be allowed to relieve themselves. They did it as a sport - they laughed and joked and bet while they did it. Amongst the Ukrainians there were several who we knew wanted to get away. But you see, that too was dangerous; they were in just as much danger as everybody else." Zabecki seemed to be in no doubt as to the numbers. "I know," Zabecki stated, "the others guess. There were no German papers on which to base these estimates except those I rescued and hid - and they are inconclusive. But I stood there in that station day after day and counted the figures chalked on each carriage. I have added them up over and over and over. The number of people killed in Treblinka was 1,200.000, and there is no doubt about it whatsoever." The extermination programme at Treblinka began on 23 July 1942. The first transports came from the Warsaw Ghetto. By 21 September 1942 254,000 Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto and 112,000 from other places in the Warsaw district had been murdered in Treblinka. Among the victims was Janusz Korczak, the noted director of a childrenâs orphanage in Warsaw. By the winter of 1942-43, 337,000 Jews from the Radom district had been killed, as well as 35,000 from the Lublin district. In total, an estimated 738,000 Jews from the Generalgouvernement and more than 107,000 from the Bialystok district were slaughtered between July 1942 and April 1943, always accompanied by the camp orchestra. Jews from outside Poland also perished at Treblinka: 7,000 Jews from Slovakia, (who had first been deported to ghettos in the Generalgouvernement) were murdered in summer and autumn 1942. Between 5 October and 25 October 1942, five transports brought 8,000 Jews from Terezin (Theresienstadt). From Greece over 4,000 Jews (who had first been deported from their homes in Thrace to Bulgaria) arrived in the latter half of March 1943. 7,000 Macedonian Jews were murdered between March 1943 and April 1943. At least one transport of 2,800 Jews was dispatched from Salonika at the end of March 1943. 2,000 Romanies were also murdered in Treblinka. The extermination programme continued until April 1943, after which only a few isolated transports arrived. Following the visit of Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler to Treblinka in late February or early March 1943, the order was issued to cremate the bodies. The mass graves were opened and the corpses were exhumed and burned on huge cremation grids, constructed from railway tracks ("Aktion 1005"). http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/1005.html After the war, the camp was razed to the ground, and rebuilt to look as if it were a farm. Local residents soon arrived and unearthed many of the mass graves, searching for valuables in the graves. Some partially decomposed corpses were exposed. Post-war pictures of human remains found at Treblinka: http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html
Hello Rearden Metal! I would like to know what made you associate "Revisionism" with "Nazi" as if it were Nicotine permeating a heavy smoker's mind. Was it the teacher at highschool that made you so emotional about Nazi crimes, or the local Rabi, or perhaps your favorite documentary at the history channel? No offense to be taken, just interested in how the Chosen People managed to win you over. Individualism should be respected as long as it's in accordance with the general mores that keep a society together. No one has to have exactly the same view on anything. There are many dissimilar definitions on "Individualism", and arguing on which one is proper would be a waste of time for now. It would be wise to procrastinate debate on this subject until at least the Jewish problem is solved. I have never said that I am a racist(what exactly is racism anyway?). You made an assumption, and then you criticized your own assumption! This is a well know deception/disinformation technique often used to descredit honest people.