This is why I just found.. its hardly a 180... Do you have something more recent? By the way I was going to the gym every other day until they closed it. As far as i know, nobody got sick there at our gym. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html The epidemiology of SARS-CoV-2 indicates that most infections are spread through close contact, not airborne transmission Diseases that are spread efficiently through airborne transmission tend to have high attack rates because they can quickly reach and infect many people in a short period of time. We know that a significant proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infections (estimated 40-45%) occur without symptoms and that infection can be spread by people showing no symptoms. Thus, were SARS-CoV-2 spread primarily through airborne transmission like measles, experts would expect to have observed considerably more rapid global spread of infection in early 2020 and higher percentages of prior infection measured by serosurveys. Available data indicate that SARS-CoV-2 has spread more like most other common respiratory viruses, primarily through respiratory droplet transmission within a short range (e.g., less than six feet). There is no evidence of efficient spread (i.e., routine, rapid spread) to people far away or who enter a space hours after an infectious person was there. Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur under special circumstances Pathogens that are mainly transmitted through close contact (i.e., contact transmission and droplet transmission) can sometimes also be spread via airborne transmission under special circumstances. There are several well-documented examples in which SARS-CoV-2 appears to have been transmitted over long distances or times. These transmission events appear uncommon and have typically involved the presence of an infectious person producing respiratory droplets for an extended time (>30 minutes to multiple hours) in an enclosed space. Enough virus was present in the space to cause infections in people who were more than 6 feet away or who passed through that space soon after the infectious person had left. Circumstances under which airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 appears to have occurred include: Enclosed spaces within which an infectious person either exposed susceptible people at the same time or to which susceptible people were exposed shortly after the infectious person had left the space. Prolonged exposure to respiratory particles, often generated with expiratory exertion (e.g., shouting, singing, exercising) that increased the concentration of suspended respiratory droplets in the air space. Inadequate ventilation or air handling that allowed a build-up of suspended small respiratory droplets and particles. Prevention of COVID-19 by airborne transmission Existing interventions to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2 appear sufficient to address transmission both through close contact and under the special circumstances favorable to potential airborne transmission. Among these interventions, which include social distancing, use of masks in the community, hand hygiene, and surface cleaning and disinfection, ventilation and avoidance of crowded indoor spaces are especially relevant for enclosed spaces, where circumstances can increase the concentration of suspended small droplets and particles carrying infectious virus. At this time, there is no indication of a general community need to use special engineering controls, such as those required to protect against airborne transmission of infections, like measles or tuberculosis, in the healthcare setting. SARS-CoV-2 is a new virus, and we are still learning about how it behaves. There are several critical questions that need to be answered to refine guidance for prevention of COVID-19, including How effective are mitigation efforts to prevent SARS-CoV-2 spread, especially ventilation and masking? What proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infections are acquired through airborne transmission? What are the conditions that facilitate airborne transmission? What is the infectious dose for SARS-CoV-2 (how many virions are required for infection to occur)? Do inoculum size and route of inoculation affect risk of infection and disease severity?
My studies will not move your needle. As it’s not about truth - it’s about you justifying your political beliefs. That’s why this thread is in politics.
No that's not it. I looked too and couldn't find what he was talking about, and you guys are gonna rail me over this lol... but hey at least I'm fessing up.... I am parroting what Cramer was going on about at 9AM today. He said the CDC just came out with something that backtracked everything previous. So I dunno, he may have heard something thats not out yet. Does CNBC's website play that day's Squawk on the Street or whatever that 9AM-9:30AM segment is called?
Fair enough... And let me tell you why... I have a poltical view of this... This is horrendously political. Wealth is being moved from small business to large. People lives are being destroyed. Kids lives are being destroyed. Mental health is being destroyed. And our govts are not shutting down the borders. Our govts refused to tell the high risk to protect themselves... properly. (and they are dying and being hospitalized in massive numbers last I time I saw good data.) Fauci didn't even want to stop travel from Britain with their new mutation. Instead they have us focusing on bullshit about masks... This is what they should be saying... Wash you hands... keep your distancing.. if you are high risk... isolate yourself... masks may not protect you. That is the only correct message. Instead I drive around on highways in multiple states... and see Mask up - stay safe. This... is still being seen in my local area... as our hospitals are full (they tell us) and Covid is killing the high risk.. It should be: "Stay safe and home if you are high risk" . Masks might not work... but wear them anyway.
no worries... you might not be wrong... I was at least partly wrong about herd immunity. I think the drop off in virus we saw everywhere had more to do with weather than anything the govt did... I attributed it to herd immunity. others to masks ... It may have been a bit of both... but It may have been combined with the way viruses burn out naturally ( in this case temporarily) when the low hanging fruit (for the virus) dies or hides. At the moment... enough data is not being shared with us. I would like to see where the virus is being spread and how. I know other countries have done contract tracing and I know we have done some too. Why is it not being shared... weekly?
Wrong. If you want an apples to apples comparison just look at Southern Ontario. If you are concerned about density, look at Toronto a metro area more dense then Florida. You keep making excuses when presented with data. If all you have is excuses, don't post charts about Canada. How convenient of you to make excuses that aren't relevant at at all when the data disparities are huge. Oh, I know, when it gets difficult for you you'll claim you don't care about Canada, I am quite familiar with your shtick by now.
Russia, Israel, Germany, Slovakia, Denmark, Belarus, etc...all better than Canada on deaths per 1M pop. Should we compare them to Canada to see what Canada did wrong?
I looked them up; remember Ontario is at 285. Germany 334, Russia 356, Slovakia 296, Israel 290. So your point is Ontario has a somewhat lower death rate then most of these countries ? Denmark, sure, they did way better then Sweden. What can we learn from Denmark to apply to Florida ? Better yet, what can you learn from Southern Ontario that you can apply to Florida, but it's going way over your head why that is a fair comparison. But thanks for playing.
Ah, so now we're only allowed to talk about Ontario - can't discuss anywhere else in Canada or Canada as a whole. You're quite the bullshit artist, aren't you. Let's compare Ontario to, I don't know, Ocala, FL.