Quote: "Trading is a teachable science, not an innate talent."

Discussion in 'Trading' started by bankroll, May 31, 2013.

  1. the1

    the1

    Agree. It's the same as getting a Tier I MBA. Some people are naturally born charasmatic leaders while others try to practice what they read in books. Some of the world's greatest leaders didn't even go to college. Trading is teachable but some people will simply be better than others.

     
    #61     Jun 1, 2013
  2. Specterx

    Specterx

    Indisputably true in my mind. Trading is like any other learned skill: almost anyone can become good at it given adequate focused training and deliberate practice. The problem for most people, and most of all for aspiring lone-wolf independents, is that they have nobody to teach them in a structured way and aren't competent to design and implement their own training/practice regimen.
     
    #62     Jun 1, 2013
  3. cornix

    cornix

    Don't know what exactly "big money" uses, but TA and particularly breakouts still work very well. It's just a little bit more nuanced than "buy the break and cash in later".
     
    #63     Jun 1, 2013
  4. deaddog

    deaddog

    Is it possible that control over ones emotions might be a small part of their edge?
     
    #64     Jun 1, 2013
  5. cornix

    cornix

    One speaks about how emotions are easy part who obviously has never even traded seriously, when years of hard work are sublimated to the fact if your edge works or not in the "now".

    It's much the same in most professions associated with responsible decision making. There's a widely known psychological phenomenon called "decision making fatigue". That's why trading and other responsible professions such as surgery are so draining and stressful.

    Of course trading is far less dangerous than fighter pilot job at the mission, but responsible decision making still causes adrenaline and general stress levels going seriously up in the process, especially when your family livelihood depends on it.

    When you hear from someone that trading is absolutely no stress you can say for sure that person never traded more seriously than a spare time hobby.

    Soros took YEARS off in 80's because of insane stress caused by continuous investment decision making process. Victor Sperandeo admitted he stopped day trading, because it caused his blood pressure going up... paper traders are always solid as a rock whatever happens. :D

    Of course, when your edge is proven by many, many trades it becomes emotionally easier. But takes a lot of experience and a lot of pain to get there.
     
    #65     Jun 2, 2013
  6. So you would be completely unperturbed if you woke up tomorrow and found 20% of your net worth had been vaporized because of some stuff happening in the Middle East, and investors were ringing the phones off the hook screaming about it?

    Or, you see a potential trade of a lifetime that could make 100 times your investment - you are just going to allocate 1% and not sweat it at all, or you are going to work your nuts off to try and capitalise on this? And when the make or break moment comes, you aren't going to be bothered if it's a success or failure? Unless you are an automaton, emotions are going to influence your behaviour.

    Secondly, why do you even want to trade or make money in the first place? Emotions. There is no rational reason to do anything, without an emotional desire to do it first - that is why depressed people stay in bed for months doing almost nothing. Even survival can quite rationally be ignored if you are emotionally completely unconcerned about what happens to you in future.
     
    #66     Jun 2, 2013
  7. Why do you think Covel couldn't learn?

    His book proves he didn't learn how markets work nor did he learn to trade to make money.

    He mentions Henry as an example. He suggests that Henry is pulling down 20% year after year. Why is Henry an example for a non trader like Covel?

    Look at a 5 minute bar on any worthwhile instrument.
     
    #67     Jun 2, 2013
  8. Those are good points cutten. This is why diversification across multiple asset classes is critical--- real estate, stocks, currencies, whatever. Yes, emotions are the motivation for everything but the actual execution should be emotionless and if you can't do that, automation is your only salvation. Obviously, I have not mastered this and am simply speaking in ideals. surf
     
    #68     Jun 2, 2013
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    "...Teachable Science"

    Certainly the most bizarre use of the word "science" I have yet seen.
     
    #69     Jun 3, 2013
  10. Murray Ruggiero

    Murray Ruggiero Sponsor

    We have just started a blog, we will be making more posts soon. It's called TradingAsAScience.com. This is in addition to our TradersStudioBlog.com which has many posts and we already update regularly.
    Understanding how markets work is a science, it's difficult to see because it's Interdisciplinary , mass psychology,time series forecasting,econmomics,game theory just to name a new disciplines which how markets work.
     
    #70     Jun 3, 2013