Quick ETF question

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by NewIdiot, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. NewIdiot


    I am an American using Interactive Brokers and I was wondering if you could suggest the most liquid ETF to track the US S&P500 or Dow (ideally in USD, but it could be any currency if it's super liquid) on the London or German Stock Exchange?

    Because I want to be able to short it at 3am before the American market opens and I don't have access to CDS because it's illegal in America.

    I can't afford the ES mini futures, it would be taking on too much risk.
  2. JackRab


    SPY (US ETF) is still open... until 4am EST... then reopens at 8pm EST.

    Why do you want to short at 3am? 3am which timezone? Europe/UK/US EST?

    And, I'm pretty sure the non-native ETF's during after hours will have a shitty bid ask spread...
  3. Visaria


    Is that the same with US shares in general?

    P.S. I think you mean 8am est.
  4. JackRab


    I don't know... those different time zones really do my head in... I'm in Australia, I think OP is in London or at least Europe... most people on ET are in the US... some EST, some on the West Coast... f&^cking annoying.

    9.30am-4pm regular trading, but 4am to 8pm total trading hrs EST time.

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  5. DaveV


    You have it backwards. SPY closes at 8PM, then reopens at 4AM.

    Surprisingly, for the heavily traded SPY, the Bid/Ask spread in the after hours sessions is usually only about 1 or 2 cents. But for other less traded ETFs, the spread can be quite wide.
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  6. JackRab


    Yeah I noticed that... that's why I posted the time schedule from IB... :) :thumbsup:

    After hours in ES is also pretty decent, 0.25 spread which is 0.025 in SPY... Any less traded product is crap to trade IMO. It's all algo's quoting based on the most liquid product with some extra spread added on top of it... you get hit with a higher cost (due to spread) on both entry and exit....

    I assume OP wants to trade it when Europe spot markets open... don't know his reason for shorting it at that time though...
  7. TD has a night trading version of a handful of the ETFs. The names have to a electronic futures on the CME and the liquidity is from Virtu. I believe on TD at this time. I believe they may run ads here, but you can trade all night.
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  9. NewIdiot


    Awesome! I will open a TD Ameritrade account. Thanks so much!

    My other idea was the ishares Dow ETF on London exchange in USD, the code is 0JH7 but I don't know the liquidity.
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  10. The SPY has a reputation for being amazingly liquid. It is described as an endless river of non-stop trading (at least during normal trading hours). It's breathtaking to see the quotes get updated in a non-stop fashion. I'm not sure how the SPY fits in with the details of what you are looking to do. But if you are looking for liquidity, the SPY is amazing.
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2018
    #10     Apr 5, 2018