Objective & critical thinking Love it ================ eta; And of course the same ole defensive response to your inquiry - because he can't defend it Nor can he defend / back his mouth up on any of his other numerous assertions RN
I think that's a normal reaction for them. I remember the same reaction when there was no Chit Chat and Politics & Religion...they too reacted similar when Baron said he was going to make a separate island just for them so that they can keep their personal attacks, off topics and troll behavior out of the trade section. I remember words by them like unfair censorship, dictatorship, nazi, squashing opinion, we did nothing wrong, just put us on ignore, don't reply, if you don't like it...you can find another forum, why do you care...you're not really trading and many other things were said. Yet, now years later, looks like folks are happy down there (chit chat, politics & religion).
You know... I'm trying to be on best behavior here, but I can't help but state that DbPhoenix is in fact one of those guys who participates in the P&R forum. So if the the point you're trying to make is that those guys (ie. trolls) who kept messing up the other threads, making Baron have to find them a new home, isn't it ironic that Db himself is a huge contributor there?
I don't troll (follow) DB around ET. Thus, if you say he hangs out in the PR section...I will take your word for it. When I said Chit Chat and PR...I did not imply every single person in those threads had been trolling ET. Instead, the dungeon was created to encourage folks to make their chit chat or PR commentary in those threads and not elsewhere at ET. Also, its very common for someone to be a troll to one ET member and a well behave person to another ET member. That's why the trolls always have someone to support them and defend them. Anyways, I think this is another thread that has run its course...take care and look forward to testing the new thing Baron will be setting up.
fortydraws... may I state something that just popped into my head while I was out driving around today? It seems to me that one of your goals here is to keep defending DbPhoenix, to keep saying how much of a positive influence his PDF had on your trading, and how the trolls are a nuisance. Well this just keeps going back and forth, and it never gets anywhere. You guys seem to think that keeping the so called trolls away from the journals of certain members will somehow be beneficial, which it might, but at the same time, there are lots of points made about how this will also be negative censorship. But then it hit me... wouldn't the best way to show how positive Db's teachings have been would be to demonstrate it? You have always complained before that trolls messed up any attempt. It seems to me now that you will have the perfect opportunity. You can block everyone from your thread with the exception of a handful people, and you can choose to post what you like, but hopefully what you would do is post daily charts with trades for at least a week. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to call you out on anything here and honestly, I have for the most part enjoyed most of what you say about trading. But there are lots who disagree with the effectiveness of what Db teaches, and with you fully supporting him yet offering not much more transparency than also saying "go read his PDF", this really isn't the strongest argument that you could make for defending him. In the past, you stopped your journal because of trolls (even though your journal was just about observation and not in fact trading), but now you have the perfect venue that you have full control over. For the record, I don't believe you even trade SLA, so its not like you would be showing SLA trades and hence showing how SLA made you a profitable trader. But you have already showed great places where you look for trades, which I found very helpful, and it would just be nice to actually follow along an entire week, or how ever long you keep it going for, going through the highs and lows, the huge wins, the scratches, and the small little losses along the way. Surely you must agree that demonstrating how you trade for an entire week would go much further than simply arguing with everyone else here about whether it can or can't be done? If your intention is to defend Db, then any demonstration of what he teaches would I think go a long way to providing excellent proof towards your views. All the trolls have is saying it can't be done, and we have countless evidence of this as most aren't ever consistently profitable, but rather than just continually using logical arguments and referencing a PDF and saying each person has to do their own work etc, I do believe that a demonstration would be most helpful. You wouldn't have to answer to any critics as you can just block them, and you can choose to show whatever you want. (I'm not even saying I need to see how much money is made, I would just like charts with clear entries and exits marked). I'm not even saying the calls have to be done in real time. All I'm saying is that you now, as a result of this new feature, have the power to actually defend what you and do Db. Theoretical stuff only goes so far. I think most of us would agree that a demonstration, a chart, is worth more than any eloquent words or thought arguments thrown back and forth.
Yes, I knew you weren't implying this. Its just funny how logically, this would follow, and since you didn't even know he posts there a lot, then I can see how you wouldn't have seen this in advance. I also agree that each troll label is highly personal. fortydraws unfortunately had labelled me as a troll, but I'm sure many would see that I'm not and that I'm simply a lost trader asking for more transparency and calling things how I see them when something does seem right. Yes, it will be very interesting to see how this new feature plays out. I might almost start my own thread and just let NoDoji post while blocking everyone else. I found her advice to be most helpful. I don't exactly want to collect hundreds of stats like she does, down to the tick even, but I love her explanations of basic price action setups and her "real" experience with algos and such that nobody ever seems to talk about. Her advice is almost more concrete, something a person can actually use, as opposed to just saying "look at the behavior here".
Baron, regarding (postsPerDay, postQuality) case: 3 users (excludes 3rd user who doesn't have opinion) IAF ...I am for some specific content. IAA ...I am against some specific content. generalization: if IAF doesn't post ...IAA doesn't post (objecting to content). goal: encourage IAF Suppose IAF is given unlimited discretion to determine who can get near him when IAF is in mode: (creating new topic, or adding to topic he created). What's the worst case that will result? Suppose IAF has grudge, or blocks user who isn't troll. ...This encourages weighing the value of finding a way to come back into the grace of IAF if the value of IAF's content is worth it. For any case where non-troll's intentions were legitimate or involved an earlier misunderstanding this will encourage thoughtful restraint in the future. We accept the risk of being misunderstood everytime we post. We must accept this loss or force all IAF to accept a larger loss by requiring their desires be subordinate to this exception where we desire to be excused when we're misunderstood. Suppose IAF likes to minimize noise, keep his threads focused. Perhaps he considered the argument against what he believes in, dismissed it and doesn't want it diluting his thread. Valid contrary opinion won't have difficulty sustaining momentum ...simply because it's on it's own thread (and not in the face of the IAF). IAA won't block IAF ...and will continue to bait him. Debate continues but participation is voluntary (because of enhanced ignore) and debate isn't forced on IAF in his own thread. Flawed contrary opinion will have difficulty sustaining post count ...imo it's wise to accept this loss. That IAA will migrate to valid contrary opinion. The only way this will fail is if restrictions are placed on who can be blocked. Obviously mods can't be blocked. Otherwise OP should be permitted to block whoever he wants without needing a reason.
Now THIS topic is what America is ALL ABOUT... the freedom to COMPLAIN, the freedom to DISAGREE, the freedom to ARGUE & call each other horrible names, the freedom to be a TROLL...and the CHOICE to self regulate! For all of you back home...you cant imagine what WILL happen to you when you decide to execute “Free Speech”...in Eastern Europe: As Al Pacino said in “Donnie Brasco”...Fuggedaboudit!!!!!