Chris I wanted to start a new thread for this subject as I would like to get as much input as possible. You stated in another post that flags had a 70 to80% winning ratio. I almost choked on my martini when I read that. I have never read anywhere of any patterns that had that kind of percentage. Since your mentor is one of the best I must assume that you know whereof you speak. What puzzles me is why isnt everybody trading that one pattern alone since that kind of percentage is almost a guaranteed winner for an experienced trader. Are there any statistical studies anywhere to back this up? Or do you mean that in the hands of an expert trader, this pattern could possibly reach this percentage? LBR says that her winning percentage is about 70% which I would think is about the upper limit. Are other type trades bringing her percentage down? I havent read all the stuff on your site but I will this weekend. I certainly want to dig into this a little deeper.