Quants --Alive and Kicking

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by marketsurfer, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Rocko1

    Rocko1

    What you just said takes no more than an understanding of basic algebra to apply. I've met a lot of these so-called quants who understand very little of advanced mathematics.

    Real mathematicians are not so simple minded to consider markets stationary or in any linear fashion. There's a lot of research with very promising potential in financial forecasting with concepts such as support vector regression, Kalman filter, and etc.

    I've met a lot of other math majors in college who're simply incapable of thinking outside the box, and they end up hurting reputation of financial engineering. It's like any other industry, you have a few winners who stay low profile, while a whole lot of losers get publicity.
     
    #21     Dec 25, 2008
  2. Why does it take hundreds to thousands of people to come up with a limited set of (math) rules to unsucessfully model risk, as with this year's catastrophe?

    Rule 1: the future may differ from the past. For example, housing prices don't always go up in the same way that a few years ago, people learned that the stock market does NOT always go up 20% per year

    Rule 2: If you think the future may always be the same, see rule number 1
     
    #22     Dec 25, 2008
  3. You don't need to modelize the way people take their decisions. The first level model starts once an individual takes a decision to buy or sell. Then looking at the aggregation of these decisions you can have a fair idea of where the herd is going and if the trend will continue or reverse. The second level model is the feedback effect from the herd to the individual. A bit more complicated but still workable.

    Where to get this basic piece of information? orderbooks!

    Thermodynamics is the same. You can find empirical law which work very well but still can find exactly the same results starting from individual interactions between molecules. Then a plain N->infinity with some ratio kept constant and here you are. Humans are not idfferent (once their decision is taken and their behavior under certain conditions fairly reproductible).
     
    #23     Dec 26, 2008
  4. Predicting the Markets is no more complicated than counting the number of Sands on a Beach!
    If you can do one, then you can do the other too...
     
    #24     Dec 26, 2008
  5. Euler

    Euler

    Heh! Good one. Not always true, but often enough, especially when it comes to investing manias.
     
    #25     Dec 26, 2008
  6. bighog

    bighog Guest

    All the science, math etc so called whiz kids always seem to forget about the "BUTTERFLY EFFECT".

    Nitro is way off base even thinking 20 year old college kids run the show when not popping their zits.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080930020838AA9oZiA

    There is an age old saying about the mkts for predicting.............. You can tell them a price and you can give them a time but you never tell them both.

    PS: thats always been my thinking about trading, the smaller time frames are the easy ones to trade (5 minute charts, ES) because within that time frame the players are reacting on their emotions more than knowledge and i can exploit the situation only because i have a handle on what is happening in the here and now.
     
    #26     Dec 26, 2008

  7. I'm afraid they would still fail common sense 101, but the professors would still give them a passing grade just to get rid of them.

    Just two final exam true or false questions for quants:

    Price only goes up?

    A 3% drop in price will not wipe you out when you are leveraged 33:1? (Bear Stearns)
     
    #27     Dec 26, 2008
  8. You my friend are retard as just about ever post in this thread. Quant are the future and are a lot smarter than many could even relish here on ET.
     
    #28     Dec 26, 2008
  9. I know many mortgage related models, but I don't recall any one that assumes that the home prices only go up.
     
    #29     Dec 26, 2008
  10. Do you actually believe this crap about quant writing models where housing prices only go up??? At the rate of which prices whet down is what destroyed the system and the fact that many quants implemented the same strategies didnt help the situation.
     
    #30     Dec 26, 2008