'Quant' hedge funds headed for worst month since Aug 2007

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Dogfish, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Anyone can make money when there are lots of big moves happening, but the art of trend following is to limit drawdowns when conditions are not favourable. That's pretty advanced stuff.
     
    #21     Nov 1, 2012
  2. heech

    heech

    Exactly. Horrible article, and I groaned when I read it. Vast majority of trend-following CTAs could do their work with pencil and paper.

    In contrast, Aug 2007 really was a melt down of (and exclusive to) many quant funds.
     
    #22     Nov 1, 2012
  3. mokwit

    mokwit

    I would argue that 1) you need to be able to identify trends with sufficient precision that you capture enough real moves and 2) early enough that the ones that play out cover the cost of the ones that don't - for this to happen you need big trends even with that precision.
     
    #23     Nov 1, 2012
  4. mm19

    mm19

    if current SP500 is not a good trend, what it is ?!?!!?

    clearly, they are not trend following.

    probably some sort of statistical arbitrage of all sorts of patterns which is very volatile stuff and has no edge.
     
    #24     Nov 1, 2012
  5. heech

    heech

    Nonsense.

    Anyways, more details about both typical components of trend following strategies, as well as performance of top CTAs in this space ($50 billion in AUM), see:

    http://www.automated-trading-system.com/resources/trend-following-wizards-fund-performance/
     
    #25     Nov 1, 2012
  6. if you can handle the drawdowns.. look what 60 years of trading does to 6 figures.
     
    #26     Nov 1, 2012
  7. mm19

    mm19

    sp500 is not in a trend for you then.

    fair enough, 100 people 100 definitions of a trend.

    too many people playing this game, mate.

    that is why betting on trend reversals pays so well. Wont be forever, i guess but this is what pays $ today.
     
    #27     Nov 1, 2012
  8. mm19

    mm19

    practically useless. if you unlucky after 20 years, still down. HUH.

    I am afraid, trend followers have to learn how to switch to opposite mode.
     
    #28     Nov 1, 2012
  9. Most of these trend following funds are long funds very reluctant to go short. They get killed in when a bull market transitions to a bear market like what is happening now. trend following is a crowded strategy, it will never outperform the S&P over the long term.
     
    #29     Nov 3, 2012
  10. heech

    heech

    Really not true. You can't lean long only in a COMMODITY trend following fund and expect to make money.

    Just take a look at what the NewEdge index did in 2008.
     
    #30     Nov 3, 2012