Quadriga Superfund - Managed Futures

mind · Mar 25, 2004

anyone remembering nasdaq in 95, 98 and 2002?

newtoet · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from ellokn:

I've got nothing against Quadrigia. How can I? I never said that they killed a fund, only some products. A managed futures product I had been folloiwng is gone. That may mean nothing, I do not know.

Yes, they were called to the mat by the SEC for advertising their limited Partnerships sold in the USA as Hedge Funds.

I never said that they churned accounts. How could I know? I do not know them inside and out like you so. (Do you work for them?) I only said that they clear their trades at a mark-up over thier own IB. That is a good business plan, as I said, even if they trade one contract a year for all I know.

The funds in Europe have been hugely successful in marketing to the retail public. They are great marketers and have sold a lot.

Information disclosure and how a fund may be sold to the public works quite differently for the European retail investor than it does in the USA. I don't know anyone who has taken money out of the funds in Europe yet as there is very long lock-up period (I think up to three years). In all honesty you must admit that a long lock up for a managed futures fund is unusual.

The only funds I can now find being marketed in Europe are the A fund, the B fund and now a new C fund, all which are less than two years old.

They do have savings certificates based on thier long-term trading program. I guess that is what you mean by the AG and GCT funds. Long term performance in the European marketing material, however, is shown as an index.

Look, it is black box trading. Trend following which can be -- and often is over time -- very successful. Especially with well-fudned programs like this one.

I was only trying to discuss an interesting product in an honest manner, and ask fair questions that many have when taking a closer look at this, and regret that I get a response of law suit threats and fecal expletives.
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I for one appreciate both sides, and the information posted by you and Ninja in the next post. Don't let the rabid people chase you away - they kind of remind me of those on the Woodie thread over the past few weeks. Anyone that questions him or has doubts is met with harsh anger from the supporters.

Thanks again.

alpha_monkey · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from GatorTrader:

Does anyone know if this fund uses the Turtle Trading secrets? I guess these guys are too young to be one of the original turtles. By the way , was Neiderhoffer or John W. Henry a turtle? I found a website that revelas the turtle secrets. Its seems to be a disgruntled turtle who is upset that other turtles are selling the secrets for thousands of dollars, so he posted the secrets for free. I printed the formulas and strategies. I'll try to find you guys the website. I don't know enough about futures to understand these formulas. It seems pretty straight forward, mostly just a trend following system.
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http://www.originalturtles.org/

Neiderhoffer - Global Macro
Henry - Trend Follower (Turtle style)

Key element of trend following is diversification in non-correlated markets. (Alongside following the system 100% - i.e. no discretionary trades.)

areyoukidding? · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from Ebo:

USA:

I am in The "B's" myself.
Just jump in, the water is warm!
You will be glad you did.
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Maverick74 · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from Ninja:

They closed the Quadriga AG fund on March 1st. Successor is Superfund A.

They closed Superfund Cayman last year. Successor is Superfund C.

They closed Quadriga Ansparplan last year.
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Wrong. Quadriga AG is closed to new investors, it did not shut down. Also Superfund Caymen did not shut down either, it's closed to new investors. Seriously you guys, be careful what you post, if you don't know, don't say. Quadriga Ansparplan is still running too, it's closed to new investors.

Maverick74 · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from ellokn:

I've got nothing against Quadrigia. How can I? I never said that they killed a fund, only some products. A managed futures product I had been folloiwng is gone. That may mean nothing, I do not know.

They haven't killed any produtts.

Information disclosure and how a fund may be sold to the public works quite differently for the European retail investor than it does in the USA. I don't know anyone who has taken money out of the funds in Europe yet as there is very long lock-up period (I think up to three years). In all honesty you must admit that a long lock up for a managed futures fund is unusual.

Also untrue.

The only funds I can now find being marketed in Europe are the A fund, the B fund and now a new C fund, all which are less than two years old.

Again, the AG and GCT funds are still trading, The AG fund is closed to new investors. The A fund is the AG and the B is the GCT.

They do have savings certificates based on thier long-term trading program. I guess that is what you mean by the AG and GCT funds. Long term performance in the European marketing material, however, is shown as an index.

Seriously man, I'm not trying to be a dick here but I read your posts and I say to myself, what the f*ck is this guy talking about. A savings certificate on a fund? No, for the last time, AG and GCT are still trading, they are both fully funded and AG is closed to new capital.

I was only trying to discuss an interesting product in an honest manner, and ask fair questions that many have when taking a closer look at this, and regret that I get a response of law suit threats and fecal expletives.

I have no problem with you discussing a product, but in your two posts I saw more misinformation then I have seen anywhere on ET and that's saying something. Listen, if you don't have the facts, don't say anything. You can't just go to their website and trying to translate everything and figure out the puzzle. I know the history of this fund very well. I have been to their office on Park Ave in NY. I have met all of their US staff. I think you know very little about this fund.
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Ninja · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from Maverick74:

Wrong. Quadriga AG is closed to new investors, it did not shut down. Also Superfund Caymen did not shut down either, it's closed to new investors. Seriously you guys, be careful what you post, if you don't know, don't say.
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Did I say "shut down" or "closed"?

Don't you feel that you are a bit too aggressive here in this thread? I wonder what your real relationship with Quadriga is. If you are really just an investor you could give a sh* what others are posting here. Looks like its shomehow important for you that more people invest in Quadriga...

newtoet · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from Maverick74:

Wrong. Quadriga AG is closed to new investors, it did not shut down. Also Superfund Caymen did not shut down either, it's closed to new investors. Seriously you guys, be careful what you post, if you don't know, don't say. Quadriga Ansparplan is still running too, it's closed to new investors.
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What about the third one mentioned:

"They closed Quadriga Ansparplan last year."

And, do you work for Quadriga? Thanks.

Maverick74 · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from Ninja:

Did I say "shut down" or "closed"?

Don't you feel that you are a bit too aggressive here in this thread? I wonder what your real relationship with Quadriga is. If you are really just an investor you could give a sh* what others are posting here.
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There is a difference between saying a fund closed and saying it's closed to new investors, you make it out like they had a big drawdown and the those funds are no more.

No, I do not work for them. And yes I do care when people come on ET and lie about anything, I take people to task in every forum. No different here. For some odd reason, a few people have come on here with absolutely no knowledge of this fund to speak of and act like they know what they are talking about, I take issue with that and will continue to do so. If people want to give opinions, I'm cool with that. If people state facts that are correct, I'm cool with that also, but when people come on here and pass false information as facts, well then we have a problem.

Maverick74 · Mar 25, 2004

Quote from newtoet:

What about the third one mentioned:

"They closed Quadriga Ansparplan last year."

And, do you work for Quadriga? Thanks.
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No, I do not work for them and yes, Quadriga Ansparplan is closed to new investors but still trading, I just went to their website that they have dedicated solely to Ansparplan.