Quadriga Superfund - Managed Futures

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by USAtrader, Mar 22, 2004.

  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    #681     Mar 7, 2007
  2. ellokn

    ellokn

    It's volatile and in keeping with the nature of trend following strategies, and many of the funds out there that trade this strategy.

    If you invested in the peak of performance in 2002, you are underwater. If you invested early in 2004, you are underwater with negative annual returns. This can be said for many trend followers of late.

    So an investment, this is not. A trading vehicle? The costs are too high to time this kind of fund investment.

    Similar trend following funds that have great continuous performance over this time are :

    Campbell Global Asset Fund B Shares:

    2002
    11.12%

    2003
    14.94%

    2004
    8.37%

    2005
    18.71%

    2006
    3.19%

    DEC Futures Fund, Ltd:

    2002
    57.47%

    2003
    -14.04%

    2004
    43.76%

    2005
    14.72%

    2006
    154.39%

    Fall River Capital:

    2000
    31.14%

    2001
    12.03%

    2002
    41.23%

    2003
    36.82%

    2004
    -26.03%

    2005
    -42.38%

    2006
    25.34%

    Shindler Fund LP:

    2001
    25.87%

    2002
    96.94%

    2003
    2.34%

    2004
    7.34%

    2005
    6.34%

    2006
    20.49%

    It is not the strategy that is a problem, but the enormous cost of superfund to its investors. That is the true hurdle to returns for investors as the numbers show.
     
    #682     Mar 7, 2007
  3. schindler is FAR FROM a trend fund. plus are you including fees, costs, expenses in your calculations? please do better research next time.

    surf
     
    #683     Mar 7, 2007
  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Agree, Schindler trading is not a trend following fund.
     
    #684     Mar 7, 2007
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Dude, you are data mining. I can find a fund out there that used lunar cycles last year that cleaned up in the markets. Show me 1,000 trend following funds and place Quadriga in that pool and see where they rank. Don't go out and find 3 in a sea of thousands and act like you are making a point.
     
    #685     Mar 7, 2007
  6. Sweet, but what good is all that if he managed to burn it away with an 80% drawdown afterwards? :p


    MAN AHL Fund. $2.6bln. Equity curve a LOT LOT smoother than the Superfund garbage. Also check out Winton, another good fund.
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    With Superfund, if you managed to enter on the May 2002 (!!!) spike you're still in the red.
     
    #686     Mar 7, 2007
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    You are also data mining. Look guys, trader 101, you cannot data mine to make empirical arguments. Capeesh? And if you are going to pick a random data in May of 2002 to get long Superfund, I can show you several dates where you actually could have gotten out at a profit. They recently made a new all time high in January. Seriously, if you guys want to argue about fund performance, stop being such light weights and bring something more substantial to the table if you want to be taken seriously.
     
    #687     Mar 7, 2007
  8. tommy_b

    tommy_b

    If this drawdown keeps up, I'm stepping up my purchases to the B shares this month!
     
    #688     Mar 7, 2007
  9. Ebo

    Ebo

    I averaged into B shares in 2003, in three traunches, and sold at the end of 2004 for a 39% GAIN. Just be prepared to average down and get out when it spikes.

    I would not put my entire nest egg in here!

    ebo
     
    #689     Mar 7, 2007
  10. Aaron

    Aaron


    Funny that you should mention both the Man AHL fund and the Winton fund in the same post, Makloda. Today they both got mentioned in the same Bloomberg article: <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=az_CxbjDvVIw&refer=home">Man Group, Winton Hedge Funds Bruised by Market Rout</a>.

    The article says AHL dropped 8.2% last week and Winton dropped 5.9% in February. These sorts of drops are "a normal, if unwelcome, feature" of the firm's strategy, says David Harding, founder of Winton Capital. Winton was up 17.8% in 2006, and AHL was up 5.4%.

    Aaron Schindler
    Schindler Trading
     
    #690     Mar 7, 2007