i will say that this cop greatly undermined the respect for the badge think how many right things done by his fellow officers were undone by this pinhead
LT07: >both Well at least we agree on one. >there are standards of behavior for every role Agreed. I hold that the obligated standards of behavior for addressing a disrespectful public official vary greatly from a respectful one. >the kid made a *minor* infraction of these rules First, there is no "rule"(as in law) that says that the kid calling the cop "dude" is unacceptable. You can say that the kid made a minor infraction of some "common sense" standard, and I'll agree with you. >the cop made a *very major* infraction of the rules Very, and in this case their are *laws* governing the threatening words and actions from the cop. >the former, does not justify the latter, but >the latter does not nullify the former Of course not -- but it's a question of appropriate response. Since there is not law stating that a cop can't be called a "dude", the appropriate response from the police officer (a *law* enforcment officer after all) would be to ignore it. >on the rare occasion i get pulled over, i pull over >right away. dome light on, keys out of the ignition, >hands on the wheel with licence and registration >in left hand. sunglasses off if it's daytime I'm with you. The only thing I do different is that I wait (with hands on the top of the wheel) and I *ask* if I can go into the glove box for my papers. Some officers understandably get nervous when people paw through the glove box as they approach -- might be going for the gun. >a cop told me this, that you're more likely to >get a return courtesy, if your actions show a >concern for your mutual safety in the stop I believe that I have gotten out of tickets several times because of the above stance alone. They genuinely appreciate someone who understand their job and makes it safer for them. I'm not a cop hater -- just an out of control cop hater. JB
Nutmeg: >It is a matter of "respecting" the >uniform/badge, not the person. The uniform/badge is why I give them *initial* benefit of the doubt / respect. (see my immediate previous post). Once they have disrespected the uniform/badge themselves, I hold that I no longer have the obligation. JB
" I'm with you. The only thing I do different is that I wait (with hands on the top of the wheel) and I *ask* if I can go into the glove box for my papers. Some officers understandably get nervous when people paw through the glove box as they approach -- might be going for the gun" forgot to include insurance card. i keep them in the ashtray, easier reach
nutmeg: >People who disrespect the President because >they don't like the man are wrong. Agreed. People who disrespect the President because he doesn't respect the rule and application of law however, would be in the right. JB
considering that he is a COP on the street and the street is jungle..you would think being called "DUDE" would not so much as remotely cause 1/1000th of the emotion we saw from that asswipe...sorry that whole situation stems from more than being called DUDE and or skateboarding....that guy should not be a cop period...i can gaurantee that the only time being caught on camera isnt the only time he has harrased people..i may be wrong but odds favor me...peace
I don't believe that's true, but he did lie under oath which is the same to me. Do you still respect him? JB
More examples of why we need a Ron Paul to bring sanity back to our system. If you you think these examples of police/state bullying are bad, wait a few years. The police here are essentially of the same stock as police in other countries, countries where bullying, intimidation, assault, murder, extortion, torture, are all common police tactics. While my hat is off to policemen who perform the diffucult job with dignity and honor (likely the majority), all to many are low iq, power lusting maniacs looking for an excuse to pull out the baton. We are protected only be the rule of law, our individual rights. as our rights are stripped away in the name of security, we can be sure that things will only get worse.