You just admitted that the Ukrainians tried to commit a genocide against the Russian people living in Ukraine since generations, incl. forbidding them their own Russian language and culture, discriminating them etc. by newly inflamed Ukrainian Nazi-like nationalism, mostly planned & organized by the UK (the biggest crier in this case b/c plan failed ) and paid & financed by the US & NATO. Then nobody really should be surprised why this war started... So, then you mean Ukraine is fighting an Independence War against Russia? LOL! From historical experience: such wars can last long, many years long.... Then just lean back and enjoy with popcorn... ...how Ukraine will cease to exist and will share the same fate like the Nazis... ...all caused by this ugly criminal Nazi-like nationalism of the Ukrainians under this irresponsible criminal Ukrainian govt...
Actually, this time I have to thank you for your comment. I wasn't aware that changing the government language from Russian to Ukrainian, IN UKRAINE(!), means immediate extinction for Russians. Ukrainian must be a brutal language, able to kill every weak Russian with ultrasounds, I guess? Nobody forbid the Russian language, some regions even kept it as a second official language. But yes, your comment pretty much shows the delusion of many Russians and how they see their dominance over the people of other countries. You make it very clear. "We are the Herrenrasse, and you must be a Nazi, if you refuse to accept our domination." Many Russians take colonialism for granted. They don't even notice what's wrong with that. It's how they grew up. The Nazi story is not even all about Russian propaganda (well, it is for a Troll like @earth_imperator, but not for all Russians). When Russians say, Ukrainians are Nazis, because they don't want to be second class citizens in their own country anymore and acknowledge our dominance, some Russians really and deeply believe that it is their god given right to dominate their neighbors. They really see themselves as Jews in Nazi Germany, just because a foreign country won't force the Russian language on their people anymore. Just look at all the crazy stuff @earth_imperator is posting. That's also why I think our friend @earth_imperator is a far right guy dreaming of being able to force his will onto others in a fascist country, just because of his birthplace. Probably the only way he could gain any power at all in life. Even the nickname is a dead give away.
@John44, you are trapped in your own wrong logic as folows: you ask why Ukranians shall be 2nd class citizens in their own country. They aren't and never were. But the more important question then becomes: why shall the Russians living in Ukraine since generations suddenly be 2nd class citizens in Ukraine? I hope you see the flaw in your wrong logic... Your other "arguments" are just childish. The conflict is about national security of Russia: Ukraine poses a real threat to Russia, especially when it joins NATO, and that's the reason for this war, to prevent a much bigger war between Russia and NATO... Imagine Ukraine joining NATO, then Ukraine immediately would start a war against Russia to "re-take Crimea", then due to article 5 of NATO, the conflict would be a war between Russia and NATO, ie. WW3. Russia is the only grown-up people in this kindergarden to see this upcoming threat and prevented this danger of WW3. Western woke politicans are so dumb that they still haven't grasped this simple but very important detail fact yet. These Western politicans are "dumb like bread", as a silly German saying goes , for example the German FM Annalena Baerbock is such one Dumb like bread! Really!
I would not worry about the support after bombing because: 1. Allies did not abandon US after first deployment of nuclear bombs on Japan 2. They want to support the winning party 3. They want cheap resources. Ukraine would surrender just as they did in Azovstal. I want to think "that there are some sane people left in the Kremlin who wouldn't let that happen" too, but this is wishful thinking without grounds.
so - ukraine wanted to join nato. (remember - ukraine wanted to join nato BEFORE russia has stolen crimea). and then it would have attacked russia ... WHY ??? - and nato would have supported ukraine in doing so - right ? i always wonder what would've REALLY happened if ukraine joined nato long ago. THIS war would then not have happened AND crimea would still be part of ukraine. - but evil russia would have attacked moldova or georgia or whatever. or what would have happened if ukraine+nato would have given a guarantee to russia that ukraine will never join nato? evil russia would most likely have attacked ukraine nevertheless or would have attacked moldova or georgia. this war is not about nato - this war is about freedom and democracy vs. dictatorship and poverty and it is because putin is frustrated that there are - in his opinion - not enough people in russia and so he wanted to integrate ukraine and destroy their culture, their language, everything. that's just sad, insane and ridiculous. russia is a failed state. (btw. - baerbock is doing a fine job - meanwhile the whole world laughs about senile lavrov.)