put writing = collecting free $$$???

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ASusilovic, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. gnome

    gnome

    The huge majority of blowups are caused by excessive leverage in some form or another.
     
    #11     Jun 26, 2007
  2. Fact is: It appears that selling a ATM put against the ES/SP500 without any leverage and putting the collateral in T-Bills beats the SP500 over a full market cycle both in annual ROR% as well as Std. Dev. of returns.

    While not risk free, it seems it was historically less risky than good ole' buy and hold.
     
    #12     Jun 26, 2007
  3. WOW, at least ONE person did understand my suggestion in this forum...:p
     
    #13     Jun 26, 2007
  4. gnome

    gnome

    This argument is SO INCREDIBLY STUPID... if you can't figure our why, you DESERVE to lose your money.
     
    #14     Jun 26, 2007
  5. Your reply speaks for itself. I guess when you want to stop looking at numbers and facts it's more comfortable to spew out profanities rather than argue.
     
    #15     Jun 26, 2007
  6. Mvic

    Mvic

    Timing is still key, you have to determine where you think we are in the business cycle to see if it make sense starting to employ this strategy now.
     
    #16     Jun 26, 2007
  7. Agree. Timing is THE important factor !:D
     
    #17     Jun 26, 2007

  8. I agree that those would reduce risk, but stop losses don't protect against large overnight gap movements, right?

    September 2001 would be an interesting month in which to backtest the naked put writing strategy.
     
    #18     Jun 26, 2007
  9. -13%

    31-Aug-01 657,63
    01-Oct-01 571,92
     
    #19     Jun 26, 2007
  10. How do the expenses, fees, and liquidity issues factor in? How often can trades be made without these concerns being an issue?


    from the CBOE site:

    Like many passive indexes, the PUT Index does not take into account significant factors such as transaction costs and taxes and, because of factors such as these, many or most investors should be expected to underperform passive indexes. In the construction of the hypothetical PUT index, the SPX puts are assumed to be written at a certain price on the third Friday of the month. However, there is no guarantee that all investors will be able to sell at this price, and investors attempting to replicate the PUT Index should discuss with their brokers possible timing and liquidity issues. Transaction costs for a put writing strategy such as the PUT could be significantly higher than transaction costs for a passive strategy of investing in Treasury Bills.
     
    #20     Jun 26, 2007