Put a Pencil in Your Mouth...

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by green.green, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. SIUYA

    SIUYA

    interesting ideas - for life in general as well as trading.
    A few weeks ago i came across this article which was interesting and covered the idea of shame and behaviour modification dealing with hardened criminals.....a good read for those interested, and if it only does one thing, it shows its worth...when lip service will not suffice. http://www.theguardian.com/society/...language-critical-mastering-rage-in-prisoners

    I also think you nail one thing which is required, whichever path you take - it is routine that is important. think like a pilot and have a checklist if needed. (highly recommended anyway)

    gg.....and for those that meditate....do you think you can have self awareness without meditation?
    Can you simply be good at being honest and understanding yourself, your reactions, your strengths and weaknesses.
     
    #11     Apr 15, 2014
  2. I have no idea. I know I couldn't. I've also never met someone who has meditated for any length of time who said it was a waste. My guess is some people start further along or get less squished along the way and don't need meditation but even they would accelerate their self-realization with a practice.
     
    #12     Apr 15, 2014
  3. Behavior Modification is very hard to do :
    I think it involves modifying a person subconscious mind : their belief systems, their emotions/feelings, the various "energies" associated with past experiences/memories.
    Very hard to do, but sooner or later every trader has to do it.
     
    #13     Apr 15, 2014
  4. It can be as easy as putting a pencil in your mouth. You should watch the TED talk linked in the second post. If you have two minutes you can physiologically change your behavior - at least for a short while.
     
    #14     Apr 15, 2014
  5. I have watched the video.
    Do you mind having a look at these videos ( if you have not seen them) - Asian approach to things has made me look to things really differently.

    1st one ( notice the "are they faking it till they make it" warden comment )
    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2PCXeHNL3s8?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    2nd one :
    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/WkxSyv5R1sg?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    It is all about going to the core of the issues.

    - It is better not to need to fake being happy : I now understand that I am better off removing unhappiness, and filling myself with happiness.
    - It is better not to fake confidence ; it is better to work on the source that remove confidence, and increase one's confidence.
    I think this thread is going to be a great one.
    I am watching videos related to your first post.
     
    #15     Apr 15, 2014
  6. GreenGreen: I think this will be an excellent thread. Thanks for starting it.
     
    #16     Apr 15, 2014
  7. SIUYA

    SIUYA

    I dont think its a waste.....but if one is put off by the 'spirituality' aspect of it, they had probably better be pretty good at alternative solutions. I was more wondering if there are alternatives....or maybe they are simply pretty much all one and the same thing.

    As for behaviour modifications - I too think they can be pretty easy to achieve, and can be relatively quick, the hard part is working out what exactly you are trying to change, and the best way to do it without unforeseen consequences. The jail example is a classic - it is a behaviour modification experiment. You have to adapt quickly if inside, and then this behaviour does not translate well to the outside again....unless done in a different way jail seems pretty much a poor solution for many.

    In order to change deep seated beliefs - much the same - you need to understand which ones cause problems....or if they cause problems at all.
     
    #17     Apr 16, 2014
  8. greengreen: do you at the moment trade? if yes what instruments ? and how have psychological limitations manifested themselves in your trading? when did these effects manifest themselves in your trading ?
     
    #18     Apr 16, 2014
  9. Redneck

    Redneck

    First – I approach this from the premise one is attempting to align their self with the mkt – for the obvious benefit

    Reality;

    There is reality – of all things (each has their own and unique)

    There is one’s perception of that / those individual and unique realities

    Goal – to make our perception match reality


    Next;

    Think…, Believe…, Know

    Things I think;

    May or may not resemble reality

    Easily changed

    Weakly defended



    Things I believe;

    Religions have been formed…, Wars fought…, People have died – for beliefs

    May or may not resemble reality

    Hard to change

    Strongly defended




    Things I know;

    One day I will die

    I must breath.., eat.., drink – to survive

    Mirror reality

    No need to defend – they are reality

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    Knowing – one is in complete alignment with the mkt

    Knowing - is trading in the zone

    To get to knowing – sometimes (most times) our beliefs have to be busted down…, torn apart… reworked

    To accomplish that sentence – is a bitch..., and takes some intensive work – for no other reason than we’re changing what we believe (to our very core) – and we’re wired to resistant change..., to defend our beliefs

    Change is uncertain.., unfamiliar.., untested..., even scary - to the bone

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    I leave you with this to ponder – and may return later to discuss (my first few years here were spent discussing this stuff - may or may not wish to revisit - I'll decide later)


    Disclaimer;

    A psychologist – trained or otherwise – I am not

    Simply a dumbass trader - who has no idea what price will do next

    RN
     
    #19     Apr 16, 2014
  10. what you might want to do is for each one highlighted is to :
    * take the opposite of it : prove the opposite, and find examples
    * ask yourself for what purpose a "Higher Being", or God or whatever, would have created shame? Imagine, that once you have passed on the other side, this "Higher Being" or God or whatever asks you " I send you shame : what did you not understand?" what would be your answer?

    Thanks to various psy, I have come to understand that many things are not that simple. But obviously each psy is necessary to bring to light various concepts and perspectives.

    When I talk about "spirituality", it means the external "psychological" environment.
    It is not really about religion , etc...
    And "psychology" the internal "psychological" environment.

    When, I trade a good "spiritual" environment means for me :
    * no "hysterics" or "mad" people around who do not respect others, etc...
    or in imagery "no demonic spirits" around.

    When, I trade a good "psychological" environment means for me :
    * a psychology with no negativity, only positivity inside me.

    Feel free to question or point any incorrection.
     
    #20     Apr 16, 2014