Exactly , I contacted C2 and most "trading systems" are NOT mechanical , they enter them manually, just like you would sent a trade to your broker, with some trading platforms you can have send the signals to C2 automatically at the moment you place a trade in your own live account.
I would like to see the first "teacher" having a profitable track record at C2 Why don't you be the first ? (Imagine the extra sales you would get with profitable track record )
Touché ... until this is done, these conversations will amount to nothing more than rhetoric. By the way guys, thanks for clarifying the process that C2 uses to track trades (makes a hell of a lot of sense to me). This puts the whole vendor flim-flam thing into a whole new light.
The simplest thing would be for Alex to post statements of his own profitable trading. That would silence all the non-believers. Profitable traders have no problem posting their profitable statements to prove people wrong. As much as he has been flamed on this thread and others, you would think he'd want to post statements and save his reputation. Unwillingness to post the statements is enough evidence for me that the trading results on the website aren't what they appear to be.
The guy consistently loses money trading and this is the truth. Post your gains for the past year or else you will be exposed.
Puretick has been asked > 4 separate times to submit to independent monitoring. To my knowledge, they have not even acknowledged the request. IN AN AGE WHERE 99% OF ADVISORY SERVICES DON'T WORK, IT IS THE DUTY OF THE VENDOR TO PROVE THAT THEY DO. BRIEF FREE TRIALS, "TRUST ME," TESTIMONIALS AND UNSUBSTANTIATED TRACK RECORDS ARE USELESS !!!!!! There is an old adage. If it walks like a scam and talks like a scam, it is probably a scam PURETICK DOESN'T SUBMIT TO C2/TimerTrac/Theta or other trackers BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE FOUND OUT. SAME REASON JACK HERSHEY ALWAYS WOULD SHY AWAY FROM SUCH REQUESTS I wouldn't trust their or ANYONE's broker statements. With Photoshop, it is very easy to doctor the image or create any results you want. Ever notice how they rub out the account number and other info when "vendors" supply statements?
I don't use collective2 but I do know a few here at ET that do use collective2. They specifically stated that it's not suitable for realtime monitoring of a discretionary trader. Regardless, as I stated before, I'm under the impression that Alex is a discretionary trader (I could be wrong). However, to add to that, if Alex is not a discretionary trader and is using some sort'uv coded or mechanical system... He should use some sort'uv verification system but that may involve hiring someone to do the inputs for him considering it would be too difficult to alert their clients to trades and while trying to monitor if all the info is being accurately and timely inputed into collective2 or any other organization. Yet, I cannot imagine a discretionary trader being able to do the same because it must be a tough multi-tasking to talk about the markets in realtime, alert clients in realtime, answer questions in realtime and then try to manually input trades for independent monitoring when any client member that's paying attention can do the same. Thus, has any Puretick clients kepted an accurate log of the trades by Alex??? If so, wouldn't that be just as valid of a record compared to Alex inputing manually the same info into something like c2. As I said before, I would be more interested in seeing the trading records (real money or simulator) of a few of their clients. Yet, if their signal calls are that bad as some of you guys suggested... Why do you care about the newbie trader over at Puretick considering these are the traders you want on the otherside of your own trades. By the way, I prefer watching someone trade in person in front of my own two eyes if I have doubts about them being the real deal. Yet, in all fairness, I should be able to do the same for that person if that person ask such while I'm there. I don't work for Puretick nor do I have any affiliations with them nor do I promote any affiliations here at ET. With that said, as noted from an earlier thread you participated in... There are some ET members using C2 and a few of those ET members have tried to promote their service at ET or at other forums (e.g. rcanfiel). My entire info about collective2 and others are via reading commentaries by these ET members. Also, as noted earlier in this thread, some ET members have posted their actual brokerage statements, broker contact info for additional verification with account number (e.g. Tony Oz). Extra sales did not go their way when in fact there was an increase in bashing and personal attacks. There were a few others I won't bother mentioning because I think you got my point. Last of all, you can go over to c2 and document how easy it is to input manually trades for realtime monitoring... Then get back with me to tell me that its more suitable in comparison to having one of you guys sit in PureTick's room to document Alex calls. I'm sure they can give one of you guys a free month pass as long as you accurately discuss the results of the trades... You can even use a simulator assuming you think their signal calls are bad or not profitable. P.S. I'm not a fan of signal calling rooms but I also see ways they can dramatically improve their services. However, it's like talking to deaf ears simliar to trying to get Baron to get rid of sponsors and charge a small fee to ET members for the privilege of posting here. Mark
Like I said before , you DON'T need to go over the hassle of manual inputs into C2 , they now have AUTOMATED input of your trades into C2, you download a small add-on and when you take a position in your live brokerage account a signal is sent to C2 at the same time for logging. Platforms like TWS and Ninja are suitable for this. No need to trust "clients" , no photoshopped statements,blotters or whatever. COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT MONITORING
I'll stick with the in person verification... Can't fake that. Regardless, there are ways to verify any image or actual paper work or info from the trader brokerage (see above statement). However, if PureTick gave you a free pass for one month or more so that you can monitor their trades via your own manual inputs into whatever verification you like (e.g. c2)... Wouldn't you be interested in that??? Would it be too much work for you??? Thus, I'm really curious about how easy or difficult it is to keep track of trades, discuss the markets in realtime and answer clients questions in realtime and to manually input trades into a third party verification system... All at the same time. Seems to me it would be easy for one of you guys to prove that their trades are not profitable via doing what they refuse to do. Mark