Prudent Risk Management + No Edge = Positive Expectancy??

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by ironchef, Nov 14, 2023.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    Sometimes we retails can't get any break. We can try "let winners run" and most ended up a loss. So, we put a trailing stop and most got stopped out before the run.... :banghead:
     
    #31     Nov 15, 2023
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    Happened to me all the time.
     
    #32     Nov 15, 2023
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Last Thur & Fri I did this experiment: Removed my constraints and simply kept trading using the same guidelines I have been using since July's paper and 6 weeks of live.

    You won't believe it, both days were (significant) losses after a total of 59 trades. Does that prove if I truly have any edge, PRM is my edge? o_O
     
    #33     Nov 15, 2023
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  4. Specterx

    Specterx

    Your edge is momentum. Trailing stops, or setting a target greater than the stop in the direction of momentum, are components of harvesting that edge even if you bucket them off to the side as "risk management".

    FWIW the past five weeks, at least, have been extremely trendy and directional. Volatile, but not panicked or overly emotional. Conditions for intraday momentum strategies never get better than the past few weeks. It's highly likely your strategy would perform worse in more of a back-and-fill market.
     
    #34     Nov 15, 2023
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks.

    You are telling me I shouldn't be too cocky about my edge or as a PRM disciple so I shouldn't confuse brains (skills) with a bull (trendy) market. :finger:

    It make sense. No wonder some days nothing worked with exactly the same approach.

    How can I tell when the market is trendy vs back-and-fill?
     
    #35     Nov 15, 2023
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    @Specterx is right, my edge is mainly I am trading in a trendy market. There is probably no real edge.
     
    #36     Nov 15, 2023
  7. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Exactly, there is no edge in trend trading. You can close your eyes, flip a coin, scratch your left nut to decide when to buy or sell, and cut short you losers and let your profits run. In a trend, any of those entries would work.
     
    #37     Nov 15, 2023
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  8. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    Combine methods, or try to gauge market state. A very wise poster in the past (starting with a) said it here.
     
    #38     Nov 15, 2023
  9. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    True, but some certainly have beter statistics then others
     
    #39     Nov 15, 2023
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    I think I actually verified your thesis. Here is a 20,000 ft view of how I trade:
    In general, there is a 50/50 I am right. My 50/50 statistics proved that.

    If you are right, this is the edge: Minimizing losses in the 50% of the time I was wrong and maximizing gain in the 50% of the time I was right, furthermore, once in a while I caught a trend. PRM?
     
    #40     Nov 17, 2023