Prudent Risk Management + No Edge = Positive Expectancy??

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by ironchef, Nov 14, 2023.

  1. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Can you do my stats? tell me all about it; if it's random, performance stats, etc. You're the stats guy, so i'm curious to see what a statistician thinks.
     
    #91     Nov 23, 2023
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks for your response.

    Agree. I looked up my old college statistics text book. With a win rate of < .54 a margin of error of 5% is from .49 to .59 which include the null hypothesis. I need to reduce my margin of error to 3%.

    I am going to do what you suggested and calculate the win rates of the first 100, 200, 300...

    Really appreciate your help.
     
    #92     Nov 23, 2023
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks for the offer. :thumbsup:

    Let me see if I can do this myself first.

    I don't want to bother you unless I am stuck.
     
    #93     Nov 23, 2023
  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    But the point is net profits, not comfort.
     
    #94     Nov 27, 2023
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  5. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    Goals are goals. Psyche is psyche. The two should intersect to be realistic.
     
    #95     Nov 27, 2023
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Some of the best trades are often the most uncomfortable.

    One can't get around that if they want to succeed.
     
    #96     Nov 27, 2023
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  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    Not worth it if it causes great anxiety, especially if there are other ways.
     
    #97     Nov 28, 2023
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Think about the following:

    1. A game that is exactly like a coin toss, 50/50 head and tail. Head I win $1, tail I lose $1.

    2. It is Markov, meaning there is no memory or history, each toss is independent only depends on the current situation.

    3. Every day, I play, keep tossing until I net $1, then stop. i.e., similar to a Martingale.

    4. If I reach 10 tosses and loss $1, I quit.

    5. Most day I win $1.

    That is the essence of my system. The only edge is risk management.

    Why do I think I have no other edge? Half a dozen times I made >30 trades and I loss 67% win 33% win $ and loss $ about the same, not much more than the notional $1. If the system has any real edge, the more I traded, I should accumulate a larger win $ which I did not.

    Comments are welcome.
     
    #98     Nov 28, 2023
  9. rb7

    rb7

    In a coin toss situation, the $ of win and the $ of loss are equal, there is no difference.
    In trading, it's not the case, cause we're buying at the offer and selling at the ask. So the spread makes the $ for losses more than the $ for wins. On top of that, the market can move quickly making the difference even bigger.
    And we're not even talking about commissions and trading fees.
    And all the emotions and feelings that go with trading (fear, greed, FOMO, etc.).
     
    #99     Nov 28, 2023
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    I am going to remove one of the constrains, #3 and replace it with a fixed # of trades, run that for a few weeks and see the outcome. If the only edge is risk management, then the outcome will be random.

    I decided to pick ~25 trades each day as contrast to ~10 each day in the current situation.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2023
    #100     Nov 28, 2023