Prudent Risk Management Is The Only True Edge In TRADING

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Buy1Sell2, Jul 6, 2015.

Is Prudent Risk Management the only true edge in trading?

  1. Yes

    53 vote(s)
    29.9%
  2. No

    124 vote(s)
    70.1%
  1. syniczfx

    syniczfx

    Wrong.
    The edge is to identify and enter into the winning trades. PRM is simply a function of reducing your losses and maximising your gains. But if your analysis or strategy is poor, no amount of PRM can give you gains. It might help prevent you from blowing up. But it will certainly not give you profits.

    You can "manage" your trades. But a losing trade is a losing trade. The "edge" is to identify more/bigger winning trades. And PRM does not identify trades for you.

    Another way to think about it. If PRM is indeed an edge. Then you could literally enter the market at random and PRM your way to profits.
     
    #691     Mar 5, 2018
  2. Buy1Sell2...do you enter the market randomly? If not, why not? Why bother entering any other way...it would just be a hassle to do otherwise? If you don't enter randomly, wouldn't that imply you believe there's a better way to enter than pure randomness? If you don't enter randomly then all of your PRM preaching has been pure B.S...don't you think?
     
    #692     Mar 5, 2018
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Everyone find good entries. There is no edge in that. It is what you do with those entries that sets a trader apart. Trading is only about one thing and that is how you manage risk.
     
    #693     Mar 6, 2018
  4. syniczfx

    syniczfx

    Not everyone can find good entries. That is where the edge is in.
     
    #694     Mar 6, 2018
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    There is an entire cottage industry running to teach people how to enter properly. In reality, the only books that should be written are on risk management. The reasons traders fail is that they do not employ PRM. --Yes--it's just that simple. --Observe PRM and you have the edge in this industry.
     
    #695     Mar 6, 2018
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  6. syniczfx

    syniczfx

    You are making a false and unproven statement. Prove it.
     
    #696     Mar 6, 2018
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Paul Tudor Jones----

    Pay special attention to 5,6 ,7
    1. "Don't average losers."

    2. "Decrease your trading volume when you are trading poorly; increase your volume when you are trading well."

    3. "Never trade in situations where you don't have control." Jones elaborated that he doesn't "risk significant amounts of money in front of key reports, since that is gambling, not trading."

    4. "If you have a losing position that is making you uncomfortable, the solution is very simple: Get out, because you can always get back in."

    5. " Don't be too concerned about where you got into a position."

    6. "Play great defense, not great offense. Every day I assume every position I have is wrong."

    7. Stay humble. "If you make a good trade, don't think it is because you have some uncanny foresight."
     
    #697     Mar 6, 2018
  8. syniczfx

    syniczfx

    1. Those are simply quotes and not evidence of edge.

    2. There is no reference in those quotes that PRM delivers an edge.

    3. Whatever PTJ said are advice for traders. Those advice do not gurantee an edge.

    4. I think you need to open yourself up abit here.
     
    #698     Mar 6, 2018
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Your position is indefensible. You are now arguing against obvious truths. I understand it is difficult for folks to grasp something so simple when they have spent long hours studying and backtesting etc to come up with a plan. It's hard to let go of. But at the core of trading it is all about "What do I lose, What do I gain?"----There is nothing simpler that successful trading once you realize this.
     
    #699     Mar 6, 2018
  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Another incredible big stupidity of the "PRM theory" is this:

    It doesn't talk about the winners. It doesn't tell you anything when to exit winning trades. So let's just say for the sake of argument it does control the down side,(it does not by the way) but if the upside exits are random, it could be still just a break even strategy or very mildly profitable, because a hard stop loss at 2% doesn't make a strategy!!
     
    #700     Mar 6, 2018