Prudent Risk Management Is The Only True Edge In TRADING

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Buy1Sell2, Jul 6, 2015.

Is Prudent Risk Management the only true edge in trading?

  1. Yes

    53 vote(s)
    29.9%
  2. No

    124 vote(s)
    70.1%
  1. d08

    d08

    I'd like to hear this too. Since we are talking about SPY, there's plenty of liquidity for everyone and these random entries won't compete with your trades, you have no reason to decline.
     
    #91     Jan 23, 2016
  2. Your wasting your time. B1S2 doesn't trade intraday. That random entry shit with prudent stops will put you through the meat grinder. I'm sure he means well, but his basis is on longer term stuff, in which case random entry with very favorable R:R ratios can possibly work
     
    #92     Jan 23, 2016
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  3. d08

    d08

    He mentioned "extremely healthy profits" which suggests huge returns with low risk.
    Now, if we are talking if by some chance random entries with MM can make ANY return then probably yes. Then again, so can any random trend following strategy with no MM.
     
    #93     Jan 23, 2016
  4. risk management(know to admit when your wrong) + higher percentage of winning trades = wealth beyond imagination

    no risk management + higher percentage of winning trades = stasis or even loss of wealth

    risk management + low percentage of winning trades = wealth

    no risk management + low percentage of winning trades = poor house

    ..the above is all you need to know about trading...develop your skills to get a higher percentage of winning trades and use risk management.

    Chris
     
    #94     Jan 23, 2016
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  5. d08

    d08

    Percentage of winning trades is almost completely irrelevant. It's the sizes of your winners and losers that decide your results.
    If you disagree, why don't you just short puts, you can probably achieve 96-97% win rates but the losers won't be that amusing for your equity curve.
    It's amazing what kind of "advice" is given on this site, I sure hope all the newbies don't accept it at face value and make up their own mind through trading.
     
    #95     Jan 23, 2016
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  6. deaddog

    deaddog


    I would like to swing trade SPY using end of day data.


    Possibly you could outline a specific risk management strategy that could be traded with a random entry.
     
    #96     Jan 23, 2016
  7. just look at the 2hr chart using EOD, draw your trendlines/support/resistance. Place a buy or sell stop order above or below the trendline based on the direction its breaking. If prices are stepping down, your trendline will be negatively sloped. So your buy stop order with stop loss would be slightly above the trendline. Calculate what effect your stop loss value will have on your account. If your stop loss gets hit and you loose 10% of your account, you will only be able to trade 10 times before you run out of cash or hit margin limiting criteria. The price action dictates your stop loss size, if the variance is high and your stop loss is within the variance zone, most likely it will be hit. If your unable to place a stop loss outside the variance zone, than your account size is too small to trade that derivative. If your buy stop on a negatively sloped trendline gets hit and your stop loss doesn't get hit, the previous intermediate term highs and lows will dictate where to exit the trade or TP /take profit.
     
    #97     Jan 23, 2016
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Certainly. Pick a random entry and place a stop that will lose a small amt if wrong. However , if right, let it run placing protective stops outside the noise. It's that simple.
     
    #98     Jan 24, 2016
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Actually I do trade intraday. Prudent risk management is the only true edge no matter what the time frame. Reminder, Prudent risk management is not just about placing an initial stop, it's about cutting losses short but also letting winners run.
     
    #99     Jan 24, 2016
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    EXACTLY RIGHT
     
    #100     Jan 24, 2016