Protecting the rentier class

Tsing Tao · Jul 25, 2012

From Stephen Roach - how the Fed has failed (Bloomberg video)

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/step...-measures-economy-pnzb~IYmSjGsnHWTYHGBeQ.html

Arnie · Jul 25, 2012

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Can't see the reply. Is it ad hominem?
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Quite the contrary. Its spot on, Riddler.

Arnie · Jul 25, 2012

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This article is infested with errors and half-truths. The author is obviously of your economic religious cult and a follower of your High Priest, the Reverend Krugman.

Where to begin...

In the second paragraph, the author implies that "unconventional" policy is not really unconventional at all when the Fed buys Treasuries, since they are low risk. He recalls a better Keynesian day when the Fed bought up toxic MBS crap and anything that wasn't nailed down from the banks willing to toss it their way. Perhaps the author would like the Federal Reserve to go out an buy up more motel properties?

The Fed knows that toxic junk is worthless. In giving the banks cash for that shit, it was an overt bailout and got a lot of flak for it. it also knows that it takes a loss every time it does that - and it's balance sheet can't take much more of that.

Oh really? Whose assessments were those again? The banks? OPEC? What did QE succeed at again? It did absolutely nothing for the real economy. Show me one piece of evidence, anywhere, that it did anything but distort markets, give money to banks, and create inflation. If you're going to call on the fact that interest rates hit all time lows and that this was good for people stuck in high mortgage rates, you could possibly be right - but only if those people were able to refinance. Most people who could did so in the first few months. The rest of QE was a worthless, erosion of the US dollar, and an overt bailout to the banks. QE Twist was a covert one, but accomplished essentially the same exact nothing. Mortgage rates have been at historic lows for two years now. Where's the housing recovery? Where the employment burst? Horseshit.

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What? The majority of the public has no vested interest in the market. They just get hit by the rising commodities. Go down to the local grocery store and ask people what the S+P closed at. Riiight. There is something to the 401k effect that the upper middle class reacts to, but the malaise in the economy at the present time is just to severe to overcome that. People aren't fooled anymore and are getting wise to the aspect that the market is manipulated and inflated, and it won't last. This is why you're seeing record insider liquidation of vested stock, and outflows in equity markets. They don't see the value.

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Whose inflation rate? The joke Core CPI? What a laugh.

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Can't argue with any of this. The ECB did precisely that, and it resulted in the death toll to their money markets. If the Fed did the same...well, I shudder to consider it. This is probably precisely why the Fed hasn't done this. Not to mention if trillions of dollars flew into the system, who knows what real inflation would behave like?

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What planet has the author been on in the last few years? Financiers can't handle taking on more risk! That's why they've shunned it. Their balance sheets are crap. As for the markets, they've taken on all the risk they can handle - look at junk bonds! And consumers seeing the real value of their debts eroding? You must be joking. The fool is advocating inflating our way out of debt by devaluing the currency outright, and announcing our intent to do so. Does anyone else but me see the catastrophic consequences of such an action on the world's reserve currency?

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These two sentences sum up the Keynesian view of the last few decades. A miserable failure. [/B]
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Here you go, Riddler. LOL

You are a fucking TOOL!!

Tsing Tao · Jul 25, 2012

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Here you go, Riddler. LOL

You are a fucking TOOL!!

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LOL! Now you'll be on his list too. Facts are like kryptonite to Ricter.

Arnie · Jul 25, 2012

TT

He has you on ignore because you continually wipe the floor with his ass in these "debates". Can't wait for the next drive-by riddle.

Brass · Jul 25, 2012

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LOL! Ricter put me on ignore

Complete inability to debate any topics whatsoever results in an "I quit" response. I love it.
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Gee, why does that sound so familiar?

Tsing Tao · Jul 25, 2012

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He has you on ignore because you continually wipe the floor with his ass in these "debates". Can't wait for the next drive-by riddle.
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Would love to actually debate him on any of it. He never debates. All his responses are redirecting the topic, refusing to answer when presented with facts, and then, it would seem, claiming the ad hominem defense to mask the "I'm going home!" response.

Ricter · Jul 25, 2012

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Gee, why does that sound so familiar?
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Exactly. Not only do the righties typically use ignore, they just love to broadcast how much they're using it. Rubbing it in, if you will. AAA's meltdown is the most recent example. Then we've got Max the other day, "I cannot see the reply therefore it must be someone so reprehensible..." blah blah blah.

Tsing Tao · Jul 25, 2012

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Exactly. Not only do the righties typically use ignore, they just love to broadcast how much they're using it. Rubbing it in, if you will. AAA's meltdown is the most recent example. Then we've got Max the other day, "I cannot see the reply therefore it must be someone so reprehensible..." blah blah blah.
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I have people on ignore who do not debate, but instead shoot one liners in their attempt to provide snide commentary. Not one tries to actually debate. Not one.

It's ok, I know you log out to see the replies anyway, Ricter. So I don't mind. You've stated as much before. In fact, I know you're reading this right now!

Every time you try to post an economic article that is ridiculous, I will be here to refute it. If you don't wish to discuss it or understand why it is so, others will at least be able to learn.

Brass · Jul 25, 2012

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I have people on ignore who do not debate, but instead shoot one liners in their attempt to provide snide commentary...
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Whereas your snide commentary is lengthier? Oh, what a plus that is.

Ricter, isn't it interesting how Tsing's "debates" uniformly require his strawman interpretation of Keynesian economics so that he'll be able to knock something down? What an intellectual hero.