Pros and Cons of Day Trading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by FatMensch2K, May 1, 2017.

  1. Simples

    Simples

    This cannot be stressed enough. Nothing can really prepare you beforehand for this, but you should be as prepared as possible anyway.

    If you've ever experienced situations where you've lost all direction and suddenly become clueless to the situation and what to do and have nobody to ask for help, then daytrading will be that X 10 at least. If you're prepared, maybe not X 10, so you need to know what to do and all what you can expect beforehand.

    People that get stressed out easily aren't really fit for this kind of stress. Think being an airtraffic controller, plus you write your own manuals and emergency drills, and NO REGULAR PAYCHECK.. Commissions will be insane levels for daytrading though, and may be more unpredictable than you think.

    Bob: This is my experience at least, though if I have a good plan how to beat those commissions, would probably do better now. Which is why I fully automate and trade long-term, which don't really require ANY interaction with the system anymore, except updating stock-lists or other yearly maintenance. Of course I check up on it, but when it's done, it's doing it's thing, or at least that's what it should be doing, despite power/network outages and whatnot. Stress-levels not comparable at all to manual daytrading.. For some people it might be the reverse though.
     
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    #21     May 2, 2017
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  2. Robert Morse

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    Can you expand on that? Why is it more stressful than other trading?
     
    #22     May 2, 2017
  3. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Trading can be stressful or fun. For the individual, some will feel stress even when doing well. I look at full time trading as a business. Any business where you are self employed and in charge of all your income, is stressful and not for everyone.
     
    #23     May 2, 2017
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  4. 90 percent of traders lose 90 percent of their initial capital within 90 days.

    80 percent of traders lose all their money, 10 percent break even and 10 percent make the money that the 80 percent lose.


    Don't burn your bridges, so if it doesn't work out you can still return to your old job.
     
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    #24     May 2, 2017
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  5. themickey

    themickey

    My experience, constant attention required on your trades, trading moves faster, way more reliant on computer not glitching, far more labor intensive, everything is trigger finger fast.
    Even an auto system requires supervision unless you have a sophisticated system.
    I now trade longer term, my last trigger pull was over a week ago and sitting on 5 positions.
     
    #25     May 2, 2017
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  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    Pro: if you are good at it, then it can be extremely lucrative
    Con: it's unlikely u will be.....

    But then again, you only know if you try.

    Why not take a 6 month sabbatical from your job rather than quitting?
     
    #26     May 2, 2017
  7. lindq

    lindq

    For all of you who took the time to respond to the OP FatMensch2K (who is probably appropriately named), you might want to reward him for his lack of response or gratitude by remembering that there is a handy IGNORE button here on ET.

    Thus, you won't be bothered by him again.

    If only real life had such a button. But alas...
     
    #27     May 2, 2017
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  8. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Thank you for your response. One man's stress is another man's fun. I loved being business. I loved the days that were so busy that I forgot to eat. I loved being so busy that I did not focus on the P/L but the job of finding good trades. I hate quiet and slow moving markets. When we moved to automated trading, I signed up with a broker to view order flow over the AIM to have more to do.

    cheers..bob
     
    #29     May 2, 2017
  9. Please keep your job if you need a job and daytrade as a hobby. Don't listen to anyone who has a vested interest in you making a large number of transactions


    Don't get me wrong, day trading is a blast as a hobby, but trying to make it as a full time daytrader as your only source of income from home without being with a real prop firm is just not smart. Unless u are already wealthy or don't mind living like the homeless.

    With that said---




    http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2010/11/8-reasons-not-to-daytrade/


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    Everyone wants to be a daytrader. Let me tell you the best days. You get in at 9:25am. You make the trade your system tells you to make at 9:30. And by 9:45, the trade is done, profitable, and you’re done for the day: $1800 richer and happy about it. Even better are those stories of people who took $3000 off of their credit card and “18 months later I had $25,351,011.45 in the bank!!!”

    The first day I decided I was going to be a fulltime daytrader, on May 18, 2001, I was so excited I couldn’t sleep at night. It was unbelievable to me how much money I was going to make.

    But its all a lie to yourself. I still occasionally daytrade. And I’ve daytraded for other people. I’ve daytraded for hedge funds and for prop trading firms.

    Right before I started daytrading, an old-timer who had spent 40 years in the business told me, “Don’t do it. Why do you want to be involved with those people.” But I wanted to be “those people”. I was one of them. I was a TRADER.

    Don’t do it…Here’s why:

    – Suicide.
    At some point you will feel suicidal. That doesn’t mean you lost all of your money. You might just be having your worst week in 2 or 3 weeks.

    But for whatever reason you bought when you should’ve sold and that sent your head spinning and now you need to be talked off the ledge.

    I’ve talked many people off the ledge in the past 10 years and had to be talked off a few times myself. Its not a pleasant feeling. Why do that to yourself?

    – You’ll overeat.
    Why not? You just put on the trade and the second you did it went against you. So you put on more and it went against you some more. So now you are staring at it and you are feeling bad. Your body needs to feel good.

    Your body is very short-term in its thinking. Its saying, “you did something that made me feel bad so now I need a doughnut. I know that will balance the bad feeling so go do it. Hurry.” So you eat a doughnut.

    The trade goes against you more. Screw it, you eat 5 more doughnuts. Six. Seven. I’m getting sick even writing this. Eight. Nine. And so on.

    – Your eyes go bad.
    Imagine you have two screens in front of you and thousands of numbers and they are all blinking and changing from green to red to green.

    You’re staring at these numbers for thousands of hours over the course of years. I can’t read books close to me anymore. The letters all melt together and look like a kaleidoscope.

    I have to take my glasses off to read them. Although, is that so bad? Maybe I won’t need glasses anymore eventually.

    – Social life.
    Do you really think that losing $500,000 of your client’s money in a day is going to make you a happy, chipper person when you go out with your friends that night.

    One person told me, “play with your kids. Kids always make you happy.” What the hell? Do I really want to listen to a four year old jabber about something when I’ve got money on the line? Forget it.

    – Blood pressure.
    When I have a trade go against me, I can sit there and feel the blood pumping through my entire body. I can feel my heartbeat.

    That might seem like a superpower but it isn’t. If you hear every single pulse going all through your body then something very bad is happening.

    – Nothing productive.
    My biggest regret in life is the hours I spent watching trades when I could’ve been making a website business or starting some other kind of business that could’ve actually been helpful to people. Like a doughnut store.

    Who am I helping by trying to snatch a few thousand dollars out of the market every day? If anything, its like I’m trying to pick someone’s pocket – the unfortunate, overeating, suicidal, bastard on the other side of my trade.

    – No career.
    When you sit there and trade every day you’re not networking with friends or other professionals. You’re not learning anything new about the world or business.

    Every second you sit there watching a trade you are removing yourself further and further from any notion of a career since daytrading is not a career. You are closer to being an inmate in a mental institution and not a functioning member of society that your kids can be proud of.

    – Its impossible.
    I know some very good daytraders. In the long run it is possible to make money daytrading. But it’s hard and it takes years to build the psychology. Every good daytrader I know suffers from all of the above.

    You have to be extremely humble, have no delusions of grandeur when it comes to your market opinions, take losses as quickly as possible, and not get discouraged. Alas, in the long run, I have none of these qualities. And neither do you.

    (See also, Who Really Makes Money on Wall Street!)

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