Proposed Slogan for John Kerry

Discussion in 'Politics' started by catmango, Mar 15, 2004.

  1. Yep, what Bush did was sooooo much more presidential.

     
    #51     Mar 19, 2004
  2. No silly, you don't understand. Of course not the way Bush did it. Nader or Kerry would have actually finished the job, would have caught or killed OBL and Zawahiri, would have destroyed Al-Qaida.
     
    #52     Mar 19, 2004
  3. Yep. Apparently we left the poppy fields untouched because Bush thinks it was good for their economy.

    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/031201a.asp

     
    #53     Mar 19, 2004
  4. The article says nothing of the kind.
     
    #54     Mar 19, 2004
  5. How? By forcing Bin Laden and his forces to trade their 4x4's for Corvairs?
     
    #55     Mar 19, 2004
  6. No, by using 150,000 american troops, $200 billion dollars, help and good will of the world to find and destoy them in Afghanistan instead of using these human and financial resources to invade irrelevant Iraq.

    OBL was not in Iraq, Al-Zawahiri was not in Iraq, Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq. Why is it so hard to understand?
     
    #56     Mar 19, 2004
  7. Do I know what Bush thinks?

    No, I do not know Bush what Bush thinks, or even if he does think.

    Did Bush burn all the poppy fields and stop opium production in Afghanistan?

    Not according to the article.

    Do the poppy fields generate money and help the economy of Afghanistan?

    Yes, the article says so, although indirectly. If the drug lords and terrorist live there and buy goods and services sold by the Afghanistan people, it helps their economy.

    Actually this is similar to trickle down economics that Bush loves.

    Let the drug lords make lots of money, watch it trickle down.

    Maybe that is why Bush did nothing to stop it while he had the chance. Who knows?

     
    #57     Mar 19, 2004
  8. You think way too highly of Nader and Kerry. I can tell you exactly what would've happened: Kerry/Nader would lobby hard for a resolution in the UN to denounce the Taliban and threaten "dire consequences" if they didn't hand over Bin Laden. The Taliban would thumb their colective noses at the UN. Then, when faced with the decision to act, Kerry/Nader would anguish over the fact that the Taliban and the innocent Afghanis were not directly responsible for the 9/11 attack (this being a "law enforcement" issue and all). There would be months of denunciations, deliberations, and negotiations, maybe some sanctions, which would only help the Taliban strengthen their grip on the populace. Kerry/Nader would implore Pakistan to help lean on the Taliban, sweetening the deal with some nuclear technology. Pakistan would agree, only to let Bin Laden knowingly escape while leaking their newly acquired nuclear secrets to North Korea, Libya and Iran. Kerry/Nader would order some Tomahawks to be launched at the known Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, but only after giving three days warning to minimize collateral damage (because Kerry has seen too much innocents killed in Vietnam, and because Nader is concerned about damaging any natural wildlife in the area). Then, in a stroke of diplomatic genius, Kerry/Nader negotiators manage to secure a promise (unverifiable, of course) from the Taliban to not support Al Qaeda, all in exchange for $500M/year of aid from the US and a seat back in the UN! Kerry/Nader declares victory for the US and the international community and is given a Nobel Prize for Peace. Meanwhile, Al Qaeda, with all of its finances and organization intact, first look at each other in utter disbelief, then decide to lay in wait for the next several years planning for the next attack...

    Not plausible? It's certainly more so than your idea of a "no brainer" invasion of Afghanistan by either Kerry or Nader.
    For all the vacuous complaints that have been made of the Patriot Act (which passed 98-1 in the Senate) as "trampling on the Constitution" I have yet to hear of any egregious cases of civil liberties violations. Please, somebody help me and point to specific substantiated complaints that have arisen directly from the administration of the Patriot Act. As for the budget deficit, they are normal during times of recessions and wars. Plus, the way I view wartime deficits is that it's simply the amortization of the costs of addressing today's problems over multiple generations, since all future generations benefit from shutting down terrorism today.
    That statement is just patently unfair. Let's see, the US government is responsible for protecting over 300 million residents in a country with large borders, while trying not to sacrifice any liberties, and Al Qaeda is only worried about protecting and hiding one man who happens to have over $200 million in a region that's one of the poorest in the world?
    Of course the jury's still out! This is a long term project that requires patience and determination. To think that Al Qaeda would've been stamped out by now is way too unrealistic.
     
    #58     Mar 19, 2004
  9. So Bush and his advisors all sat down and agreed to let poppy fields to be cultivated so the resulting drug trade can finance terrorist operations? I think not.
     
    #59     Mar 19, 2004
  10. Do you KNOW they didn't do just that?

     
    #60     Mar 19, 2004