Prop trading, K-1, expenses, taxes

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by garyk, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. Good to see you here again Robert! I'll see you at the Online Trading Expo!

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    #11     Nov 18, 2003
  2. seisan

    seisan

    Sharpshooter Bob hits the tax target bullseye again for Elite Traders.

    Well, it's a no brainer whose exhibit booth I'll be visiting this weekend at the TradersEXPO in Vegas
    with my trader tax and pre-trading expense questions...

     
    #12     Nov 18, 2003
  3. garyk

    garyk

    #13     Nov 18, 2003
  4. I've noted the responses to my original "Schedule C" posting. I posted that response after consulting with a knowledgeable, experienced CPA who specializes in filing taxes for traders. Having practiced law for 23 years, I know that knowledgeable experts can, and do, disagree on certain issues--sometime frequently. That is especially true for issues arising out of the Internal Revenue Code. The more one studies the Code, the more one realizes how complex it can be. The good news is that the readers of this forum are the beneficiaries of such debates since the knowledge level of everybody involved is increased.

    I appreciate the professionalism and respect the opinions of those who have posted the Schedule E responses. As a result of their input, I am going to do further research on the topic. If I conclude my original posting was correct, I will say so and give my reasons. On the other hand, if I conclude my original answer was incorrect, I will say so for everyone to see. I probably will not have time to do the additional research and post a follow-up until Thursday, Nov. 18 at the earliest. If I can't get it done then, I will post a follow-up as soon as possible next week.
     
    #14     Nov 18, 2003
  5. To all Forum participants:

    You will recall the controversy I created last week when I posted my "Schedule C" answer, and was immediately met with a number of postings that disagreed. The other posters asserted that the correct place to deduct the expenses not listed on the K-1 was on Schedule E.

    I have taken the time to go back and further research the matter. I conclude that the dissenters were correct. My previous posting was incorrect. The additional expenses should, in fact, be entered on line 28, column (h) as a separate line item. The Instructions state, "Do not combine these expenses with, or net them against, any other amounts from the partnership."

    While this is not a perfect fit, since column (h) of line 28 is captioned "Nonpassive loss from Schedule K-1" [and these expenses are not, in fact, listed on the K-1], the instructions seem to make clear this is what the IRS wants the taxpayer to do.

    I want to thank all those posters who brought the mistake to my attention. The Forum served the exact purpose for which it was designed--to provide information to traders and to elevate the knowledge level of all involved. I appreciate that professionals can, and do, disagree frequently on matters involving the Internal Revenue Code. Such a disagreement exists with respect to every case that ever makes its way to the Tax Court or beyond. Nevertheless, I respect the opinions of others and if I am shown to be wrong in a response--as I was on this occasion--I will not hesitate to issue a correction.
     
    #15     Nov 20, 2003