Prop Futures Trading Firm

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by jarrettmp, Feb 2, 2012.

  1. gmst

    gmst

    Thanks Mav for this concrete information. Not one - wow! It really puts me in a more sober mood :(

    After reading above, it seems that opening a CTA and raising 1-10 MM is easier than getting capital from a futures prop house to trade purely directional strategies.


    Edit: I think and this is purely a guess - that getting into a prop futures house for a pure directional player might still be possible - but probably not in US. Maybe in some other country where financial markets/mindset is not this developed ....probably BRIC countries, maybe even Singapore....just guessing at this point.
     
    #31     Feb 3, 2012
  2. Feeman

    Feeman

    I have many friends in the hedge fund world as well as CTAs.
     
    #32     Feb 3, 2012
  3. bone

    bone

    The OP and thread concerned the prop futures business model, and in that regard you are a bit naive in terms of what kind of trade appeals to them in terms of a potential new hire off the street.
     
    #33     Feb 3, 2012
  4. Feeman

    Feeman

    Let me repeat this:

    "I have many friends in the hedge fund world as well as CTAs."

    Do you see the word prop in that comment?
     
    #34     Feb 3, 2012
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    This quote of yours implied you were also referring to prop firms.
     
    #35     Feb 3, 2012

  6. This has always scared me about approaching any futures prop firms. They'd love to steal your idea, program it into an algorithm and leave you useless to them.

    If you have good techniques & methods, better to raise private capital. Just my opinion.
     
    #36     Feb 3, 2012
  7. Feeman

    Feeman

    But in reality they can't, especially if your trading illiquid electronic instruments like FX E-mini Dow, most grains, metals and energies.

    So if your strategy trades ES, ZN, or FESX to name a few, size won't disrupt the market.
     
    #37     Feb 3, 2012
  8. Feeman

    Feeman

    Agreed, I should have deleted prop. :)
     
    #38     Feb 3, 2012
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Huh? FX is illiquid? The Dow? Metals? Have you heard of the LME? Energy? The most liquid contract in the world. You realize the cash markets for these products dwarfs the futures markets right?
     
    #39     Feb 3, 2012
  10. Feeman

    Feeman

    I'm speaking of FX futures such as those traded on CME; ditto for the other instruments. There is little liquidity in YM, CL, SI, ZW and many others.

    The OP is talking about FUTURES as far as I can tell.
     
    #40     Feb 3, 2012