Profiting from New tax plan

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Cuddles, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. sle

    sle

    Short bonds is certainly the first one that comes to mind. If you want to make it cheaper and safer, a bear steepener (eg buy puts on long bond, sell puts on ten year, terminal duration neutral). TBH, I am amazed that the bond market is not going nuts over this.
     
    #11     Dec 17, 2017
  2. KeLo

    KeLo

    Like I said, I like the Hong Kong flat rate.

    Average Americans should pay less with the tax plan due to the doubling of the standard deduction, which is used by 78% of taxpayers. Also the working poor will get help with an increased child care credit (not deduction, money in pocket).

    Personally I am not envious or jealous of billionaires so if they get a tax cut too, it is okay with me.
     
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    #12     Dec 17, 2017
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles


    What's the reasoning here? No need to borrow as much now that corps get to keep more? Or expected growth hence smart money moving away from safe investment into higher yielding ones?
     
    #13     Dec 17, 2017
  4. sss12

    sss12

    If the Dems can't find a better candidate than EW, then shame on them. It will be Hillary re-do.
     
    #14     Dec 17, 2017
  5. DTB2

    DTB2

    No, it would be a Republican landslide victory.
     
    #15     Dec 17, 2017
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  6. sle

    sle

    Lower taxes => higher deficit => higher borrowing costs
     
    #16     Dec 17, 2017
  7. sss12

    sss12

    FWIW.....shop I follow held that view but now see a flattening of the curve, late cycle economics. 10 yr below 2% by yr end 2018. I'm not sure I agree.
     
    #17     Dec 17, 2017
  8. sle

    sle

    Well, they must also think SPX < 1600 by that time :)

    Doing it as a conditional steepener is a nice way to express that view - if we 10s do rally back to under 2%, the trade just goes away
     
    #18     Dec 17, 2017
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Well, that hasn't worked since 2008. But as I always like to say, if the ball comes up red 10 times in a row, then black is due! I just wish maybe 5% of what I learned in my economics curriculum in school actually worked in real life. LOL. Why do markets always have to be so "tricky"? :)
     
    #19     Dec 17, 2017
  10. sle

    sle

    It's obviously conditional on the overall state of economy - if we are in a boring market, the bonds will eventually sell-off. In a flight to quality, all bets are off. That's why if I were doing this trade, I'd do it either by buying puts outright or doing a conditional steepener.
     
    #20     Dec 17, 2017