On the whole, would you say then that most people who trade, lose? It seems to be the recurring theme in this room? Also. Do most traders in prop firms make money do you think? hearing the Refco boys seems like they make good dough, does anyone actually have any horror stories about big losses lately, and if everyone seems to be making money in futures, who's losing. Sorry, it's just hard to get my head around, everyone I speak to seems to be making good money, who loses????