Profitable traders how much do you risk per postion?

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Daal, Nov 24, 2005.

How much of your total equity you risk per position?

  1. 0-2%

    60 vote(s)
    48.8%
  2. 2-4%

    32 vote(s)
    26.0%
  3. 4-8%

    11 vote(s)
    8.9%
  4. 8% or more

    20 vote(s)
    16.3%
  1. cnms2

    cnms2

    I did a quick calculation:

    Kelly = 0.58 - 0.42 * 37,820.56 / 33,473.21 = 10.5%
     
    #31     Jan 13, 2006
  2. gbos

    gbos

    In general yes. The trick is that there are strategies with offsetting positions so the absolute risk is 60% but the real risk is much smaller.

    Anyway Larry Williams equity curve seems toï aggressive for my taste :).

    Regards
     
    #32     Jan 13, 2006
  3. Here you can see the original statements from his broker:

    http://www.adest.com.au/larrywilliams/world_cup_championship.htm

    He traded different markets at the same time. Normally this results in a less choppy return. So perhaps he would have wiped out his account by only trading 1 market when he had his draw down of over 75 %?
     
    #33     Jan 14, 2006
  4. This is the data from Larry Williams in an excel sheet
     
    #34     Jan 14, 2006
  5. cnms2

    cnms2

    Thanks!

    I noticed one loss of 56.7% and several smaller losses above 20% ... I guess he was applying some variable risk money management method.
     
    #35     Jan 14, 2006
  6. as u insist, must have been MM of the "variable kind"
    :D

    PS: he seems to have since switched his bread & butter business preferring to "smooth" somewhat his equity curve
     
    #36     Jan 14, 2006
  7. cnms2

    cnms2

    What kind of position sizing are you using in your trading? On what trading vehicles?
     
    #37     Jan 14, 2006
  8. Tell us a bit about yours.
    I'm kind of a shy fellow. Wouldn't want to shine next to LW.
     
    #38     Jan 14, 2006
  9. Watch the sheet again carefully:
    5 times more than -30%
    2 times more than -60%
    1 time more than -75%

    All that within 12 months of trading.

    These drawdowns are unacceptable to any fund and to most investors.
     
    #39     Jan 14, 2006
  10. cnms2

    cnms2

    I was referring to single trade losses, not to drawdowns.

    That 56.7% loss was amazing. On the other hand he couldn't have grown his account astronomically without risking heavily. He used a strategy to win the competition, and it worked that time.
     
    #40     Jan 14, 2006